WOW pff stat: cam's time to throw will surprise you!

[ncfan]

Cant be

I was told Kalil/Clark/Williams were better LTs and Cam just holds the ball to long

[rico6]

3 minutes ago, ChibCU said:

Being able to attempt a deep ball versus being unable to attempt a deep ball. Are you able to put the pieces together now, rico?

Being “able” to =\= being good at it. Your premise is just dumb.

[Bartin]

2 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Cant be

I was told Kalil/Clark/Williams were better LTs and Cam just holds the ball to long

Cam had a higher time to throw in 2017 and 2018 than Allen does this year. Should we cut Little and Daley and bring back Clark and Kalil? They are available. It obviously proves they are better OL, right?

[ncfan]

Just now, Bartin said:

Cam had a higher time to throw in 2017 and 2018 than Allen does this year. Should we cut Little and Daley and bring back Clark and Kalil? They are available. It obviously proves they are better OL, right?

I mean if you want to bring Norwell back at his All-pro level 

Sure

[DeAngelo Beason]

This is a meaningless amount of time.  The O-line has been decimated by injury while Allen has been playing.  The extra time in the pocket could just as easily have to do with blitz frequency.  Cam used to be great against the blitz, but the past year and a half he has been awful against it.

[Khyber53]

What it means is we have two really good fits for Norv's system. One who fell short because of injury and one who may, or may not, fall short because of inexperience. The injured one is healing and inexperienced one is getting experience.

22 head coaches in the league would give their left testicle to have that set up in the QB grouping right now.

We can win with these guys. We have been winning. We will continue to win, no matter which is starting.

[Moo Daeng]

The guy made no attempt to look at the definition of the stats he was quoting.

[panthers55]

Averages don't really tell you that much. If one quarterback gets the ball out in 2 seconds 4 times and then rolls out  and holds it for 7 seconds1 time his average is 3 seconds per pass.  If another guy holds the ball for 3 seconds 4 times and for 2 seconds one time. His average will be under three seconds. Now which one held the ball longer most of the time??

[Peppers90 NC]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

Averages don't really tell you that much. If one quarterback gets the ball out in 2 seconds 4 times and then rolls out  and holds it for 7 seconds1 time his average is 3 seconds per pass.  If another guy holds the ball for 3 seconds 4 times and for 2 seconds one time. His average will be under three seconds. Now which one held the ball longer most of the time??

Could also have to do with strategy from the other team. Player A doesn't handle the double A gap blitz particularly well, therefore we will blitz him more, decreasing the time the ball is in his hands. Buuuuttt lets jump to conclusions based on one little tweet!!!!

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, Peppers90 NC said:

Could also have to do with strategy from the other team. Player A doesn't handle the double A gap blitz particularly well, therefore we will blitz him more, decreasing the time the ball is in his hands. Buuuuttt lets jump to conclusions based on one little tweet!!!!

Exactly. Averages often get exagerrated by outliers or limited information. Cam only played 2 games and he was hurt for both and blitzed heavily.  Hard to make many conclusions from that.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Saca312 said:

had to let my inner buzzfeed out with that title.

anyways, this actually is a pretty interesting statistic. 

i mean it does make sense. kyle allen doesn't have to deal with daryl williams at LT, making the oline infinitely better, hence why he has more time in the pocket and time to throw. cam didn't have that luxury nor did he have a good foot.

Cam Newton also plays with a HUGE tell on his shotgun snaps that lets a DL tee off and time the snap. 

Maybe fixing that helps him and the OL

I breakdown showing shotgun vs under center would be real interesting with both QBs. 

[CRA]

15 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Exactly. Averages often get exagerrated by outliers or limited information. Cam only played 2 games and he was hurt for both and blitzed heavily.  Hard to make many conclusions from that.

and Cam had a tell on his shotgun snaps the first 2 games of the season that allowed defenses to time the snap.  If Zod can figure that out....you know NFL defenses did

[mav1234]

1 hour ago, Saca312 said:

had to let my inner buzzfeed out with that title.

anyways, this actually is a pretty interesting statistic. 

i mean it does make sense. kyle allen doesn't have to deal with daryl williams at LT, making the oline infinitely better, hence why he has more time in the pocket and time to throw. cam didn't have that luxury nor did he have a good foot.

in order to determine if this is a meaningful difference we really need an idea of the distribution of values that give rise to the mean.  it would also be interesting to see how those times compare across games...

[rico6]

You’d have to be a disingenuous fughead to not tell the OL is playing drastically better than what was displayed the first 2 weeks. Come the fug on, guys lol.