SB nation article says you are stupid if you think there's a true QB controversy

[raz]

not sure about replacing a guy who is winning.  at the same time cam does deserve to show if he can still play, and play in a way that is sustainable.    probably not a SB team either way so i'm pretty sure whatever the team decides will backfire.

[Mr. Scot]

Couple of things...

1) The premises this article is based on are opinions, not facts

2) If I'm going to appeal to authority, I'd like a better one than the guy who wrote the "Please don't let David Tepper buy the Panthers because he has a set of brass balls on his desk" article (i.e. James Dator)

3) It's always silly to assume that what anyone says could happen is what they want to happen

4) If you accept the premise that whoever disagrees with this is a moron, one of the people that you're calling a moron is Steve Smith

[MHS831]

35 minutes ago, ARSEN said:

What made Cam different from the average Joe is his ability to run and 70 yard bombs of his back foot.  Now, he can’t run and he can’t throw bombs.  What you get with Cam now is an average QB.  Cam is not a field general like Tom Brady... he’s a mobile QB.  Cam career completion average is below 60% and his QB rating is in mid 80s.

Good post.  A guy was showing my son a used car on the lot the other day.  The car had 60k miles on it and was 3-4 years old.  He showed my son the new car sticker price, telling him that he was getting the car for half price.  I told him (the salesman) that was stupid.  I asked him how long he had been working there.  He replied, "for about a year."  I asked him to get me someone who was actually employed here in 2016, when the car was new if that is going to be the pitch.  He laughed.  I did not.

Point:  looking back is pointless.  What has the car got left? What does the CarFax say about injuries?  How bald are the tires?  He was trying to sell what the car was, not what it had left.  It was a pretty car--looked new.  But it was not new.

Comparing the car to Cam--are you willing to pay over the new car price for a car with high mileage, a few CarFax accident reports, and aging tires?  It looks new and it is a popular model, and it could give you a few more years of quality transportation, or it could be in the shop more than on the road.  Or do you buy a new economy car that is efficient and has low miles, spending the money you saved on offensive linemen?

(Let's see if people think this was really about cars)

[raz]

4 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

it's not "prejudicial" it's literally reality. they are winning in spite of their quarterback situation. it is less than ideal. their mvp is hurt and the backup is adding very little value to the position. we are lucky to have skill players who are elite in space to turn passes at or behind the LOS into chunk plays. sorry if that upsets you but the demands placed on cam and the demands places on allen are night and day. cam has a more difficult job because the way allen has found "success" isn't sustainable long term. we don't get to play middling to bad defenses every week. our defense probably won't be this dominant force we've seen. at some point the quarterback has to do significantly more than what's been asked of allen. there is no better argument that his game is limited than the way this coaching staff has treated him since he was inserted into the lineup. they know what he can and, more importantly, can't do.

i wish for a second you could see how full of shite your are.  you will say anything to fit your narrative no matter how stupid it is.  don't you have some hair to go sniff

[1of10Charnatives]

4 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

it's not "prejudicial" it's literally reality. they are winning in spite of their quarterback situation. it is less than ideal. their mvp is hurt and the backup is adding very little value to the position. we are lucky to have skill players who are elite in space to turn passes at or behind the LOS into chunk plays. sorry if that upsets you but the demands placed on cam and the demands places on allen are night and day. cam has a more difficult job because the way allen has found "success" isn't sustainable long term. we don't get to play middling to bad defenses every week. our defense probably won't be this dominant force we've seen. at some point the quarterback has to do significantly more than what's been asked of allen. there is no better argument that his game is limited than the way this coaching staff has treated him since he was inserted into the lineup. they know what he can and, more importantly, can't do.

I think I've been pretty clear on why I think the phrase is prejudicial. Your use of the phrase "literal reality" belies either a lack of understanding or willful misuse of either those words. The thing cannot be objectively proven, it is subjective opinion, so asserting literal reality is disingenuous and intellectually dishonest.

[Peppers90 NC]

I disagree! Therefore, you are stupid! NO! You're more stoopider!

[1of10Charnatives]

6 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Good post.  A guy was showing my son a used car on the lot the other day.  The car had 60k miles on it and was 3-4 years old.  He showed my son the new car sticker price, telling him that he was getting the car for half price.  I told him (the salesman) that was stupid.  I asked him how long he had been working there.  He replied, "for about a year."  I asked him to get me someone who was actually employed here in 2016, when the car was new if that is going to be the pitch.  He laughed.  I did not.

Point:  looking back is pointless.  What has the car got left? What does the CarFax say about injuries?  How bald are the tires?  He was trying to sell what the car was, not what it had left.  It was a pretty car--looked new.  But it was not new.

Comparing the car to Cam--are you willing to pay over the new car price for a car with high mileage, a few CarFax accident reports, and aging tires?  It looks new and it is a popular model, and it could give you a few more years of quality transportation, or it could be in the shop more than on the road.  Or do you buy a new economy car that is efficient and has low miles, spending the money you saved on offensive linemen?

(Let's see if people think this was really about cars)

The problem with your analogy is our inability to determine if the manufacturers (Cam's parents) are Honda or Jaguar. Does their product last longer than average or does it look pretty and break down fast?

*ducks and sneaks away laughing*

Nah man, jk, pretty good analogy.

[Swaggasaurus]

Since 11/8/18 our record is 5-9. For those 5 wins Kyle Allen was our QB. Not sure how much more proof is needed. 

Is a mobile Cam better than Kyle? In most ways yes. Will Kyle ever be MVP? Nah. 

Is our offense asleep with Cam?Yep....but it’s really because when he fugs up he continues to beat himself up about it and can’t recover. That’s the biggest thing that separates these two for me. Kyle Allen flashes a goofy smile and is caught on the broadcast saying “I fuging missed it by that much” Cam is dying inside when he doesn’t execute, there’s nothing wrong with that, it just doesn’t help the guys stay engaged.

 

[therealmjl]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

4) If you accept the premise that whoever disagrees with this is a moron, one of the people that you're calling a moron is Steve Smith

Are you somehow suggesting that Steve Smith is the standard for intelligence? 

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

1 minute ago, Swaggasaurus said:

Since 11/8/18 our record is 5-9. For those 5 wins Kyle Allen was our QB. Not sure how much more proof is needed. 

Is a mobile Cam better than Kyle? In most ways yes. Will Kyle ever be MVP? Nah. 

Is our offense asleep with Cam?Yep....but it’s really because when he fugs up he continues to beat himself up about it and can’t recover. That’s the biggest thing that separates these two for me. Kyle Allen flashes a goofy smile and is caught on the broadcast saying “I fuging missed it by that much” Cam is dying inside when he doesn’t execute, there’s nothing wrong with that, it just doesn’t help the guys stay engaged

Completely ignoring Cam's injury = Can't take you serious.

[MHS831]

4 minutes ago, raz said:

i wish for a second you could see how full of shite your are.  you will say anything to fit your narrative no matter how stupid it is

Houston and Jacksonville have good defenses (ranked 12th and 8th).  Tampa took away the run and made us one dimensional.  Kyle made plays and did not throw the ball away.   You can only beat the team in front of you--

[MHS831]

5 minutes ago, mjligon said:

Are you somehow suggesting that Steve Smith is the standard for intelligence? 

His football IQ is very high.  Next question.

[rico6]

1 minute ago, mjligon said:

Are you somehow suggesting that Steve Smith is the standard for intelligence? 

But instantly shoots down DeAngelo’s opinion because he got the verbiage of Carolina’s Offense wrong. 

[Peppers90 NC]

3 minutes ago, mjligon said:

Are you somehow suggesting that Steve Smith is the standard for intelligence? 

Yea right? This board is much more intelligent.