SB nation article says you are stupid if you think there's a true QB controversy

[1of10Charnatives]

11 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

What specifically about Allen's first 5 games in the NFL proves to you he cannot be a franchise QB ?

Valid question.

[ncfan]

29 minutes ago, raz said:

allen has shown the blueprint for playing qb for us.  cam just needs to do it better.   he's not gonna be '15 cam.  if he tries his career is gonna be over shortly.   the question is can he.   that's not racist.  its legit and we're gonna find out at some point.   the racist trolls that brigaded the forum last year are pretty much gone.  

SMH

 

2018 Cam prior to the shoulder injury.  He was completing a higher pct than 2015 Cam And 4-0 Allen.  

 

Probably would've started 8-0 vs 6-2 had our D not been so trash last year.  He11 that front 7 was so terrible we legit changed schemes and hammered FA/draft with pass rushers

 

 

 

This Allen vs Cam is like the Foles vs Wentz argument Philly.

100% Cam is better, point blank than Allen, no matter what the Cam haters who have crawled out have told you.   Allen is good enough with the guys around to win us games.  Thats it.

Its a good situation to be in

[Ja Rhule]

42 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

It's crazy how much people are threatened by inevitably of time and change. 

When Delhomme era came to an end people were in denial.  This place was so toxic.

[TheRumGone]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

Cam needs to quit going down on one knee before every snap and slowly getting up....he started that when he ran all game.  He gets up like he is exhausted so people can’t tell when he actually is later. Little things like that added up.  Wasted time every play. 

I also hope he spends some time doing a little self evaluating. Igo did hit the nail on the head with his shotgun tell on the snap helping DLs tee off. 

Totally agree. Hope he’s using this time off to self assess. The little things he did as far as drawing defenses offsides went a long way. Needs to go back to that and round out his game. 

[raz]

1 minute ago, ARSEN said:

When Delhomme era came to an end people were in denial.  This place was so toxic.

i was a delhomme-stan.  i learned my lesson about being overly emotionally attached to players.

[jfra78]

Can we stop calling people stupid for not agreeing with you? It's really chidish

[PhillyB]

17 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

What specifically about Allen's first 5 games in the NFL proves to you he cannot be a franchise QB ?

when we have a franchise QB in the wings getting healthy the burden of proof is on you to prove he is

[Riverboat Ron]

A healthy Cam (ex. Can run the ball without hesitation and can throw the ball at least 90% of what he could before his shoulder surgery) is better than Kyle Allen.

My problem is that we never got a great look at Cam in preseason before fatso fell on his foot. The thing that made Cam Newton great was his mismatch ability, big QB that could run well and big arm to hurl in tight throws or deep bombs. Toss in his killer instinct for scoring in clutch situations. From what I saw even in training camp was less distance on throws, less speed on short throws and a reluctance to let Cam be anything other than a pocket passer.

If Cam is just going to be a pocket QB, I'll take Kyle Allen 10/10 times. Allen stretches the field, makes quick throws that utilize the speed of Moore and Samuel which in turn opens up space for CMC. 

If Turner invisions Cam as a pocket QB he will fail because if teams don't have to spy Cam and don't have to worry about a throw past 20 yards it leaves no space for Cam to throw in his limited range, of which he's never been consistently accurate. 

[raz]

3 minutes ago, ncfan said:

SMH

 

2018 Cam prior to the shoulder injury.  He was completing a higher pct than 2015 Cam And 4-0 Allen.  

 

Probably would've started 8-0 vs 6-2 had our D not been so trash last year.  He11 that front 7 was so terrible we legit changed schemes and hammered FA/draft with pass rushers

 

 

 

This Allen vs Cam is like the Foles vs Wentz argument Philly.

100% Cam is better, point blank than Allen, no matter what the Cam haters who have crawled out have told you.   Allen is good enough with the guys around to win us games.  Thats it.

Its a good situation to be in

his shoulder was going downhill after the first game.  you can go re-watch and see.  teams didn't know he couldn't throw deep for a while and were respecting it.   when that became obvious they dared him to beat them with his arm - just like the first 2 games this year.   he's going to have to disprove that going forward.   

[PhillyB]

11 minutes ago, twylyght said:

Shouldn't you be on vacation?

How does this article stack up if we come out of SF with a win with KA at the helm?  What if we lose with Cam at the helm?

*********** Confirmation bias incoming ***********

1 is a bad sample size 

[Jeremy Igo]

13 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

when we have a franchise QB in the wings getting healthy the burden of proof is on you to prove he is

Uh, that takes time. I don't have enough information to say either way. Neither do you. That is the point. Saying he will never be a franchise QB is pretty silly. If we didn't have Cam and Allen was a draft pick you would be over the moon and singing the praises of his prospects right now. 

[Bronn]

7 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

What specifically about Allen's first 5 games in the NFL proves to you he cannot be a franchise QB ?

Seriously?

It isn't about the first 5 games. It is about what happened before that. Lots of people took a pass on Allen. Lots of people who are supposed to know what they are doing.

Don't even offer up Brady as a comparison in that regard, because I know people are going to be quick to do so.

The kid is good in a Norv Turner system. The possibilities are there, but there is no current evidence to demonstrate he will be a franchise QB for anyone. The burden of proof lies with Kyle, and those trying to say he's anything other than a good backup right now.

Until Kyle Allen starts a 16 game season for anyone, and does better than 8-8 for multiple seasons, he's a glorified backup QB.

To paraphrase Dennis Green, "If you want to crown his ass, then crown him. He is who I think he is, and I'm not going to let him off the hook as easy as you are."

Is Kyle Allen doing a great job right now? It could be debatable.

Is our defense playing great? Yes.

Are we limiting our mistakes? Yes.

Does Allen have time in the pocket that Cam hasn't had? Yes.

Is Kyle Allen currently healthy? As far as I know.

Is Kyle Allen a franchise QB? How the hell is anyone supposed to know right now? A lot of people passed on him for him to end up with us.

Right now, Allen is somewhere between Chris Weinke, Matt Moore, and Jake Delhomme as far as I am concerned. None of them, save MAYBE Jake, proved they could be a Franchise QB.

[raz]

2 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

when we have a franchise QB in the wings getting healthy the burden of proof is on you to prove he is

omfg, bro you've lost it.  

[jfra78]

1 minute ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Uh, that takes time. I don't have enough information to say either way. Neither do you. That is the point. Saying he will never be a franchise QB is pretty silly. If we didn't have Cam and Allen was a draft pick you would be over the moon and singing the praises of his prospects right now. 

Facts