SB nation article says you are stupid if you think there's a true QB controversy

[MHS831]

5 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

I agree. A lot of dumb people on this site. But many of them have ulterior motives for wanting Kyle over cam

If you are suggesting race, there are other variables at play, so please do not assume that all skeptics are playing that card.  Age, the toll on his body, his career accuracy issues, etc. are my concerns.  Cam has been the face of the franchise, something we never really had before.  He is indeed an icon and an entertainer---and that may bother some folks-- so I see your point.

I was a huge critic of Ron allowing his QB to run so much (options, qb draws) to prolong Cam's career.  I wanted to see Cam evolving into a pocket passer, knowing that he would age and that would be necessary for a long career.  Neither happened.  Cam probably had a few years left, but he has taken a beating.  Allen is a system QB and nothing more, but he is winning right now.  Cam is an elite talent, the face of the franchise, but a huge question mark.  Knowing his body is showing vulnerability because he has taken more hits than any other QB ever, knowing that he has a $35-40m per year contract on the horizon, do you mortgage the future of the franchise on a 32-year old QB?  These are the factors.  I really do not see race as the issue--but I do not get why people still support Trump either. 

[raz]

allen has shown the blueprint for playing qb for us.  cam just needs to do it better.   he's not gonna be '15 cam.  if he tries his career is gonna be over shortly.   the question is can he.   that's not racist.  its legit and we're gonna find out at some point.   the racist trolls that brigaded the forum last year are pretty much gone.  

[MHS831]

6 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Great. There is an long list of teams that traded for a great backup and didn't get a franchise QB. I know what side of the trade i want the Panthers to be on. Extra 1st? Yes please!

The big issue for most people who are not clamped down hard onto Cam's scrotum:  What are the signs that a QB who has taken a beating might be on the decline?   If you compare him to other running QBs who have taken fewer hits,  it does not look good.  If Cam is healthy, great.  But for how long?  If we trade a QB that is a proven winner and Cam's skills dwindle into mediocrity, over the next year or two, well,  that is stupid too.

[1of10Charnatives]

30 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/10/14/20912474/kyle-allen-cam-newton-qb-controversy-carolina-panthers-nfl

the article in sum: if you look at kyle allen and think "wow that kid looks like a franchise quarterback" and not "wow this kid looks like a great backup, thank god we won't be tanked before getting our HOF MVP franchise quarterback healthy" you are stupid.

if you disagree you are stupid

Show me the writer of the articles solid gold bullet proof history of being 100% right about everything he’s written football related and I will accept your premise that disagreeing is stupid.

Otherwise all you’ve done is find an opinion with which you agree and declare that other opinions on the matter are stupid. Anyone can do this. It literally means nothing.

And for the record I’m neither convinced Allen is the second coming nor convinced he’s nothing more than a backup. 

[MHS831]

15 minutes ago, raz said:

so your appeal to authority is a sbnation article.  nice.   haven't actually seen one person on this site say they know what kyle is yet

Philly is usually on point.  I give him credit for his knowledge, but the article attacks a premise that is hardly common---I have not read anyone saying Kyle is a franchise QB either--but based on the injuries, there is some doubt that Cam still is or can be.  Of course we expect him to return, but every athlete hits that wall.  In Cam's case, the wall has been hitting him for 9 years.

[raz]

3 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Philly is usually on point.  I give him credit for his knowledge, but the article attacks a premise that is hardly common---I have not read anyone saying Kyle is a franchise QB either--but based on the injuries, there is some doubt that Cam still is or can be.  Of course we expect him to return, but every athlete hits that wall.  In Cam's case, the wall has been hitting him for 9 years.

lately he seems to have lost his mind

[TheRumGone]

10 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

If you are suggesting race, there are other variables at play, so please do not assume that all skeptics are playing that card.  Age, the toll on his body, his career accuracy issues, etc. are my concerns.  Cam has been the face of the franchise, something we never really had before.  He is indeed an icon and an entertainer---and that may bother some folks-- so I see your point.

I was a huge critic of Ron allowing his QB to run so much (options, qb draws) to prolong Cam's career.  I wanted to see Cam evolving into a pocket passer, knowing that he would age and that would be necessary for a long career.  Neither happened.  Cam probably had a few years left, but he has taken a beating.  Allen is a system QB and nothing more, but he is winning right now.  Cam is an elite talent, the face of the franchise, but a huge question mark.  Knowing his body is showing vulnerability because he has taken more hits than any other QB ever, knowing that he has a $35-40m per year contract on the horizon, do you mortgage the future of the franchise on a 32-year old QB?  These are the factors.  I really do not see race as the issue--but I do not get why people still support Trump either. 

I really think Cam was transforming into more of a pocket passer last year before the wheels fell off. He was close to 70% completion rate. He was doing some scrambling runs so I get your point though. 
 

as far as Allen, I really think he has the capacity to get even better. I don’t think it’s fair to say this is his ceiling. I’d rather have our mvp injury free and playing right now but I think Allen has the capacity to be special. Some of those throws he was making vs Tampa were big boy franchise qb throws and reads.

[raz]

can someone explain to me why we're max protecting kyle and not giving help when cam is playing qb?   is this kyle calling people back in and cam not?  is it the playcalling?      after the 1st bucs game ron had no answers for why DW didn't get help.  this is at least the 2nd time i've heard ron do this.   whose responsibility is it?

[Saca312]

lazy people who rehash media hot takes are the only ones stirring up controversy.

anyone with a lick of football sense can see what the article says is obvious.

[MHS831]

4 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

I really think Cam was transforming into more of a pocket passer last year before the wheels fell off. He was close to 70% completion rate. He was doing some scrambling runs so I get your point though. 
 

as far as Allen, I really think he has the capacity to get even better. I don’t think it’s fair to say this is his ceiling. I’d rather have our mvp injury free and playing right now but I think Allen has the capacity to be special. Some of those throws he was making vs Tampa were big boy franchise qb throws and reads.

I think you are right--maybe a little too late--thanks to Shula and Dorsey.  Norv is good for Cam, and maybe this ordeal will help Cam realize that the S on his chest now stands for Smart.  I fear that they drove him into the ground as they are driving CMC now--I hope I am wrong...

[Saca312]

1 minute ago, raz said:

can someone explain to me why we're max protecting kyle and not giving help when cam is playing qb?   is this kyle calling people back in and cam not?  is it the playcalling?      after the 1st bucs game ron had no answers for why DW didn't get help.  this is at least the 2nd time i've heard ron do this.   whose responsibility is it?

ron's for keeping daryl williams in for the rest of the game after the first quarter vs the rams, then continuing to let cam die by starting him week 2 bc he's stubborn and dumb when it comes to vets.

 

[Saca312]

6 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

I really think Cam was transforming into more of a pocket passer last year before the wheels fell off.

tbh he's always been a pocket passer since 2011. just because QB designed runs exists doesn't mean when he throws, he literally sits in the pocket and delivers like textbook pocket passers do.

only difference is more competent playcalling + short options in CMC, Moore, etc. to make plays and high percentage throws. back then, he only had vertical intermediate-deep options as reliable targets and little to no checkdown options at all.

[raz]

Just now, Saca312 said:

ron's for keeping daryl williams in for the rest of the game after the first quarter vs the rams, then continuing to let cam die by starting him week 2 bc he's stubborn and dumb when it comes to vets.

 

i'm not asking about DW being there, i'm asking about him not getting help because of the obvious struggles.  whose responsibility is it?   is cam not calling people back in?  is it the playcall?  i honestly don't know.  

[Jeremy Igo]

1 hour ago, PhillyB said:

the article in sum: if you look at kyle allen and think "wow that kid looks like a franchise quarterback" and not "wow this kid looks like a great backup, thank god we won't be tanked before getting our HOF MVP franchise quarterback healthy" you are stupid.

if you disagree you are stupid

What specifically about Allen's first 5 games in the NFL proves to you he cannot be a franchise QB ?