SB nation article says you are stupid if you think there's a true QB controversy

[Fox007]

11 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Still trying to figure out from the camp that wants cam gone and to hand the keys over to Kyle, what happens if he turns into pre Super Bowl mvp nick foles, Matt Flynn,Case keenum ect

not to say I believe this is Kyle’s ceiling but the odds of him becoming the next Tom Brady or Kurt Warner are extremely rare.

if he does flame out and cam isn’t on the roster, we would waste at least 3 seasons of football with making such a crucial blunder, are we prepared to waste away 3 years of Luke,cmc,Samuel and Moore ?

love what Kyle is doing but he’s doing what we all pray a backup can do, win games, just like bridgewater is doing, just like foles did, ect

there’s are far more easier way to find out if Kyle is the future going forward besides just looking at 5 games 

Best case scenario is Cam returns to CAMVP status and we win the SB and have a stud/worthy backup that can win us games if needs be.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Still trying to figure out from the camp that wants cam gone and to hand the keys over to Kyle, what happens if he turns into pre Super Bowl mvp nick foles, Matt Flynn,Case keenum ect

This is why you're getting it wrong...

Outside of some people trolling, nobody's primary goal is to see Newton gone. What people want most of all is for the Panthers to win. 

If having Kyle Allen as the starter is the best path to that, fine. That'd be a sad thing for Newton, but not for the team.

People are also cool with Newton being the starter, but it's recognized that he's up there for an NFL player and he's been hurt a lot, so people have a tough time trusting that he can stay healthy.

None of this is unreasonable, nor does it require any particular political or social mindset to believe.

Bottom Line: There'd probably be a whole lot less contentiousness around here if people could get it through their heads that acknowledging what could happen, what might happen or even what they believe will happen is not the same as saying it's what you want to happen.

Once you learn that distinction, you gain a lot of wisdom.

[Bronn]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Outside of some people trolling, nobody's primary goal is to see Newton gone.

 

Just because you say this doesn't mean it is true.

You're doing a whole lot of preaching about wisdom. One would think that a wise person could correlate the amount of people who have nothing but negative things to say about Cam and their historical postings in the very other areas you mention (politics, social mindset) and NOT just disregard them as "people trolling." This fanbase is made up mostly of southern conservatives, and that is a fact. I think it is changing, thankfully, but there are still plenty (read: a majority) of holdover.

You can prop up "wanting to win" as some sort of purist ideal, but it isn't as simple as that. It should be obvious to everyone that we all want to win. But SOME people want to win while gaining ammo for their agenda. Trying to disregard that as "trolling" is a pretty bad take imho. Some posters here disappear when Cam has a good game (admittedly, it has been a little while) but come out of the woodwork (with all their alts) any chance they can to point out his faults, or the successes of other certain types of players.

 

[Cary Kollins]

I'm just glad that the only people that matter in this "storyline" are the brass of the Carolina Panthers.

I've been highly critical of Ron and I still am, but for better or for worse I think he's not dumb enough to discard a healthy Cam.

This situation is like a wet dream for sports media. I'm going to enjoy ignoring all those idiotic takes from former players and talking heads of all stripes.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, Bronn said:

Just because you say this doesn't mean it is true.

You're doing a whole lot of preaching about wisdom. One would think that a wise person could correlate the amount of people who have nothing but negative things to say about Cam and their historical postings in the very other areas you mention (politics, social mindset) and NOT just disregard them as "people trolling." This fanbase is made up mostly of southern conservatives, and that is a fact. I think it is changing, thankfully, but there are still plenty (read: a majority) of holdover.

You can prop up "wanting to win" as some sort of purist ideal, but it isn't as simple as that. It should be obvious to everyone that we all want to win. But SOME people want to win while gaining ammo for their agenda. Trying to disregard that as "trolling" is a pretty bad take imho. Some posters here disappear when Cam has a good game (admittedly, it has been a little while) but come out of the woodwork (with all their alts) any chance they can to point out his faults, or the successes of other certain types of players.

That applies equally to you.

Curious: Is Steve Smith speaking out of an ulterior motive?

Yes, there are people who are racist. But if you want to convince me that somebody is, you going to need to show me a lot stronger evidence than their opinion of one football player.

Accusing somebody of something that heinous just because they disagree with you about football is pretty pathetic.

[jtm]

The Panthers are in an envious position and us fans should be thankful rather than getting so upset about another person's opinion.  We all know Cam is a generational talent when he's healthy and if he's 100%, the future is bright.  If Cam can stay healthy, the Panthers will likely be able to trade Allen for a high draft pick or keep him as a legit back up for many years.  This is a huge win either way.

If Cam comes back and isn't healthy, we already know that this team can win with Allen and perhaps Allen can be more than just a fill in.  Every fan on this site, including myself, thought the year would be over if Cam ever got hurt and this hasn't been the case.  

Enjoy the ride and grab your popcorn! 

[SBiii]

37 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

Best case scenario is Cam returns to CAMVP status and we win the SB and have a stud/worthy backup that can win us games if needs be.

Agreed 100%.   Then we would have a massive trade chip in Allen.

Hypothetical question....

....assume QB7 goes into San Fran and lights them up, and subsequent to that Cam is deemed 100% healthy....

....and further assume Riverboat wants to leave the hot hand at the wheel and asks Cam to take the backup role for the time being....

....how do you think Cam would handle it?

PS...everyone seems to be cowering as if the Niners are the big-bad-wolf, their schedule has sucked.  No team they have played currently has a winning record and overall the 6-teams they have played only have 9-wins total.  They only beat Pittsburgh by 4 the week after Big Ben went down.

I think the Panthers are going to roll out in the city of sidewalk poop.

[Shocker]

I’ll just be stupid for sticking with a QB that is 5-0 with no picks.  

[Cpt slay a ho]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

This is why you're getting it wrong...

Outside of some people trolling, nobody's primary goal is to see Newton gone. What people want most of all is for the Panthers to win. 

If having Kyle Allen as the starter is the best path to that, fine. That'd be a sad thing for Newton, but not for the team.

People are also cool with Newton being the starter, but it's recognized that he's up there for an NFL player and he's been hurt a lot, so people have a tough time trusting that he can stay healthy.

None of this is unreasonable, nor does it require any particular political or social mindset to believe.

Bottom Line: There'd probably be a whole lot less contentiousness around here if people could get it through their heads that acknowledging what could happen, what might happen or even what they believe will happen is not the same as saying it's what you want to happen.

Once you learn that distinction, you gain a lot of wisdom.

How am I getting it wrong, for the people who are actually being logical I have no quarrels with, my post was for the ones who have seen enough from Allen to say he’s the future and cam’s done 

if they are trolling so be it but there’s quite a few regular posters who believe this notion as well 

As far as cam’s health, he’s no more injured than most the qbs in the league, however if we start him when a 100% healthy and he either bombs his 3-4 starts or gets injured than it’s easier to move on from him and begin the Kyle Allen era

patience is all that’s needed 

[Bronn]

20 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That applies equally to you.

Curious: Is Steve Smith speaking out of an ulterior motive?

Yes, there are people who are racist. But if you want to convince me that somebody is, you going to need to show me a lot stronger evidence than their opinion of a football player.

Accusing somebody of something that heinous just because they disagree with you about football is pretty pathetic.

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One would think that a wise person could correlate the amount of people who have nothing but negative things to say about Cam and their historical postings in the very other areas you mention (politics, social mindset) and NOT just disregard them as "people trolling."

To be honest, I haven't seen many people here make an argument as to why Cam Newton, when healthy, should not return as our starter immediately over Kyle Allen UNLESS I have witnessed them post with questionable motives in other areas of the forum.

It isn't about labeling people because of their opinion of a football player. It is about confirming that their opinion is trash because it isn't grounded in valid argument.

I've seen it here. I've seen it in person in football discussion. I've seen it in the media.

What exactly did Smitty say that echoes some of the bad things people say about Cam here? In fact, a few weeks ago he was telling people to "pump the brakes." If anything Smitty acknowledged the common sense that Cam was playing injured, and that we've got a good opportunity to show what a homegrown guy can do.

I can love what Kyle Allen is doing for us while not giving up on Cam, and wanting Cam to return to form. A lot of people are ready to move on, for pretty terrible reasons, and some for fully justifiable reasons. But, I and others have a pretty good read on who, especially around these parts, fit in what category.

[jtm]

33 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

This is why you're getting it wrong...

Outside of some people trolling, nobody's primary goal is to see Newton gone. What people want most of all is for the Panthers to win. 

If having Kyle Allen as the starter is the best path to that, fine. That'd be a sad thing for Newton, but not for the team.

People are also cool with Newton being the starter, but it's recognized that he's up there for an NFL player and he's been hurt a lot, so people have a tough time trusting that he can stay healthy.

None of this is unreasonable, nor does it require any particular political or social mindset to believe.

Bottom Line: There'd probably be a whole lot less contentiousness around here if people could get it through their heads that acknowledging what could happen, what might happen or even what they believe will happen is not the same as saying it's what you want to happen.

Once you learn that distinction, you gain a lot of wisdom.

Brilliant perspective and blows my mind why most can't get this.  We as fans, just want the Panthers to win.  

[Bronn]

4 minutes ago, jtm said:

Brilliant perspective and blows my mind why most can't get this.  We as fans, just want the Panthers to win.  

no poo, and a lot of us fans (an increasing amount I hope) want us to win while having less racist fans

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Bronn said:

To be honest, I haven't seen many people here make an argument as to why Cam Newton, when healthy, should not return as our starter immediately over Kyle Allen UNLESS I have witnessed them post with questionable motives in other areas of the forum.

It isn't about labeling people because of their opinion of a football player. It is about confirming that their opinion is trash because it isn't grounded in valid argument.

I've seen it here. I've seen it in person in football discussion. I've seen it in the media.

What exactly did Smitty say that echoes some of the bad things people say about Cam here? In fact, a few weeks ago he was telling people to "pump the brakes." If anything Smitty acknowledged the common sense that Cam was playing injured, and that we've got a good opportunity to show what a homegrown guy can do.

I can love what Kyle Allen is doing for us while not giving up on Cam, and wanting Cam to return to form. A lot of people are ready to move on, for pretty terrible reasons, and some for fully justifiable reasons. But, I and others have a pretty good read on who, especially around these parts, fit in what category.

Smith said that Allen is playing too good to replace even if Newton is healthy. The clip has been posted here two or three times (pretty sure it's in the thread about Willie McGinest).

Guess he must have questionable motives...

 

[Bronn]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Smith said that Allen is playing too good to replace even if Newton is healthy. The clip has been posted here two or three times (pretty sure it's in the thread about Willie McGinest).

Guess he must have questionable motives...

 

The difference, that you still cannot distinguish apparently, is that Steve Smith isn't posting here about Republican/borderline racist things when he's not put on the spot about our QB situation in front of the cameras.

Also, Steve Smith has likely done way more than anyone posting in these forums for the Carolina Panthers, the community of Charlotte, and people below him on the societal hierarchy. That means he 99% isn't a Republican/racist.

How convenient of you to prop him up as some sort of ethical standard now, though, as there are plenty on the wrong side of the Kyle vs. Cam argument that also make a villain Smith when given the chance.