Kyle Allen's 4 games vs Cam's 8 with new OC Norv

[Black&BlueBubba]

2 hours ago, Bartin said:

Ok so first of all those are Cams first 8 games of last year, not his first 6. Secondly, if you are going to compare stats for two different people and one of them has twice as many games then don’t use totals like you did for TDs. Use per game stats. Right now this comparison is completely ridiculous and slanted.

That’s a 1.75 TD rate for Allen and a 1.87 rate for Cam. 
 

That’s a better representation. 

[Basbear]

4 minutes ago, ncfan said:

It was said that Cam wanted to run less even before the injury as he is getting older.

 

Im sure with the way Allen is playing.  The pressure will be on him to preform, so id expect him to run again

Cam just needs to run smarter. It was very very selfish of him to run thinking he looks weak by sliding. In the superbowl or 4th down and needing a win, sure be a RB. The other 99% of plays, slide, please slide. Cam has to feel the pressure for the first time in his NFL career, we'll see how he responses. 

[micnificent28]

1 minute ago, Nesbro1 said:

We didn't think he was finished. 

We got rid of him because he was demanding excellence from Cam and they were afraid he was going to break Cam and turn him into Ryan Leaf 

That's not what steve said..

 

[Ivan The Awesome]

Love the nit picking stats here. Also a 4 vs 8 game comparison is the dumbest thing I've seen today and there's a lot of threads that are idiotic right now. 

[micnificent28]

4 minutes ago, stbugs said:

You didn’t read it, did you? Are we magically saying that Daley is Jordan Gross in his first two starts? You really don’t think that the OL having time to find everyone and call out assignments and not having the DL know when the snap is coming is helpful to the OL playing well? I agree that Williams sucks this year but he’s still been playing in place of Turner so he’s not gone.

I think Daley and Little are better but Turner is also better and I do think the pace of the pre-snap/huddle is helping the OL out way more than people are willing to admit. Hence you ignoring that part of my post. 

I'm not saying what your saying at all.. what I am Say is William's sucks at "Left Tackle". I'm not saying he sucks at right tackle or guard. I think he is a solid player at those positions. And that's where he is for kyle. Left tackle is arugebale the most important position on the line that's why it's the highest paid. I'm not saying the drop off from Turner at guard to William's isn't as bad as the positive of Little and Daley at Left tackle vs William's who was terrible at it.

[ncfan]

4 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

Love the nit picking stats here. Also a 4 vs 8 game comparison is the dumbest thing I've seen today and there's a lot of threads that are idiotic right now. 

Higher completion %

More ypg pass And rushing 

playing twice the games

Vs better competition 

Behind a worse OL

With Funchess as your starting WR

Thats nit picking?

[Ivan The Awesome]

11 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Higher completion %

More ypg pass And rushing 

playing twice the games

Vs better competition 

Behind a worse OL

With Funchess as your starting WR

Thats nit picking?

Yes. The amounts are not the same. Also why are you even saying anything about the Oline? It's the same oline Cam has had for ever. Quit trying to justify Cam's short comings and selfishness by "trying" to see if he could play injured. If you're injured, don't play. That simple. This team would be 6-0 had he been upfront with his injury. 

[rico6]

1 minute ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

Yes. The amounts are not the same. Also why are you even saying anything about the Oline? It's the same oline Cam has had for ever. Quit trying to justify Cam's short comings and selfishness by "trying" to see if he could play injured. If you're injured, don't play. That simple. This team would be 6-0 had he been upfront with his injury. 

The only thing you’re remotely close on

[ncfan]

1 minute ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

Yes. The amounts are not the same. Also why are you even saying anything about the Oline? It's the same oline Cam has had for ever. Quit trying to justify Cam's short comings and selfishness by "trying" to see if he could play injured. If you're injured, don't play. That simple. This team would be 6-0 had he been upfront with his injury. 

1st

Having a better completion pct in more games is saying something

No this is not the same OL.  If you think Daley/Little has been the same as Williams at LT and Clark/ Kalil then you haven't watched a second of this team.

 

And not defending Cam on trying to play hurt.  Already stated it was dumb

[Ivan The Awesome]

5 minutes ago, rico6 said:

The only thing you’re remotely close on

Oh so because he made the super bowl with a poo wr Corp, the same funchess played in the SB, it's a plus on him but when it affects him it's a negative and it's the people he had to work with. Okay I see, so it only works and is justified if it benefits Cam. All I hear are excuses. 

[MasterAwesome]

44 minutes ago, ncfan said:

 

 

Thia OL has been light years better under Allen

 

The drop off from Turner to Williams (Who some speculated prior to the season that he would take over starting LG AND has admitted he is right side dominant)

That drop off isnt as significant as Daley/Little to Williams

What is it you think that data represents? Correct me if I’m wrong, but this has nothing to do with OL performance. It’s saying given a clean pocket, here are these QBs’ respective YPA. That means Allen is able to let plays develop when the pocket is clean as opposed to some young QBs who hear footsteps and get skiddish and just dump passes off before the pressure gets there. No?

[Ivan The Awesome]

4 minutes ago, ncfan said:

1st

Having a better completion pct in more games is saying something

No this is not the same OL.  If you think Daley/Little has been the same as Williams at LT and Clark/ Kalil then you haven't watched a second of this team.

 

And not defending Cam on trying to play hurt.  Already stated it was dumb

You can't have it both ways dude. Either he doesn't have a good team around him or he does. 

[rico6]

Just now, Ivan The Awesome said:

Oh so because he made the super bowl with a poo wr Corp, the same funchess played in the SB, it's a plus on him but when it affects him it's a negative and it's the people he had to work with. Okay I see, so it only works and is justified if it benefits Cam. All I hear are excuses. 

Whatever man, just say $cam sux, you hate him and take a seat.

[ncfan]

3 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

You can't have it both ways dude. Either he doesn't have a good team around him or he does. 

What are you talking about his OL has been terrible

We put in new young OL when Allen stepped in and theyve been better.

Dont see how your not getting this

 

Daley/Little>Kalil, Clark, Williams at LT dont understand how some of you guys dont get this. My lord

This Allen situation has completely made part of this fan base delusional