Kyle Allen's 4 games vs Cam's 8 with new OC Norv

[Smithers]

17 minutes ago, Bartin said:

Ok so first of all those are Cams first 8 games of last year, not his first 6. Secondly, if you are going to compare stats for two different people and one of them has twice as many games then don’t use totals like you did for TDs. Use per game stats. Right now this comparison is completely ridiculous and slanted.

Not to mention that he didn’t reference the rankings of the defenses Cam faced.  

[Ja Rhule]

1 minute ago, cookinbrak said:

I love when people come up with numbers thinking no one will check on them.

NFL.com passing defense

Jags 15th

Texans 24th

Cards 30th

Tampa 32nd. The same team Cam lost to.

[rdog157h]

Remember when Matt Moore came in and took over? He did really good and won the starting job. How did that work out for us?

[micnificent28]

8 minutes ago, CRA said:

Well Williams doesn’t even know what Norv runs.

but yeah, Allen is asked to do less.  So has virtually every starting QB the past several years. 

Goes both ways. CMC is asked to do less when Cam is the starter.  The rest of the O in general is asked to do less. 

So the question is....are we overall better with the rest of the team doing more or Cam doing more.  Because Cam is really good when Cam is 

I dont even think that is a question. By saying Allen is asked to do less that is basically admitting he isn't as good to do more as Newton is. If Cmc is asked to do less that's better for his long term career. Your going to run CmC into the ground just like the Rams did Gurley. He was thought of as a generational talent and even better than CMC.

Now look at him after all the touches and he isn't even what 27-28?

[rico6]

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/10/14/20912474/kyle-allen-cam-newton-qb-controversy-carolina-panthers-nfl

very interesting takes, Idk the legitimacy of sbnation, but they did their homework on this article for sure:

[tiger7_88]

24 minutes ago, cookinbrak said:

Tampa 32nd. The same team Cam lost to.

You mean that time when he was playing on one foot?

[Mr. Scot]

39 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

This was also a great point by a former panther 

Norv Turner has never run a West Coast Offense in his entire career, and he sure as hell isn't running one now.

[Ja Rhule]

2 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

You mean that time when he was playing on one foot?

Newton has been injury prone for 4 seasons now.  Doubt it will change in his 30s.

[tiger7_88]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Norv Turner has never run a West Coast offense in his life.

I also wouldn't listen to a damn word of D-Will's "professional" opinion, pro or anti-Cam, if it would save my pupper's life.

(OK, that's a lie... but I was exaggerating for effect.)

[tiger7_88]

Just now, ARSEN said:

Newton has been injury prone for 4 seasons now.  Doubt it will change in his 30s.

Well, I think describing it as being "beaten into submission to save his sh1tty head coach's job time and time again" would be more accurate, but I don't disagree with your basic premise.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

I also wouldn't listen to a damn word of D-Will's "professional" opinion, pro or anti-Cam, if it would save my pupper's life.

(OK, that's a lie... but I was exaggerating for effect.)

No argument.

[Cpt slay a ho]

Am I’m the only one who came to the conclusion that norv and Scott are doing a damn good job(besides reluctantly not running the qb sneak on obvious downs) 

hard to compare the two when circumstances have been quite different for both 

[GoPanthers123]

So if we are comparing Allen’s rookie games stats vs Cams stats in his most accurate stretch of games then we agreee Allen is already comparable to Cam at his best?   

Allen is a rookie and probably not at his peak.

[rico6]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Norv Turner has never run a West Coast Offense in his entire career, and he sure as hell isn't running one now.

Semantics much? Isn’t the Air Coryell system essentially the ‘West Coast Offense’ on steroids?