10+ NFL teams really interested in seeing if Cam Newton goes up for trade

[1of10Charnatives]

25 minutes ago, JARROD said:

It is amazing how fast people will turn on you. Super Cam to trade bait,...

wow.

Among other things the NFL stands for NOT FOR LONG.

You can support a team or you can support a player based on past performance without regard to present situation. You cannot do both successfully. The contracts given out to aging players by Hurney 1.0 should be the only object lesson in this any Panthers fan needs.

If Cam can return and win, I would love nothing more than to continue to cheer for the guy. I have loved every minute of the energy, enthusiasm and toughness he has brought along with otherworldly athletic gifts. But at this moment right now, absolutely no one can say for sure that he can, and claims to the contrary are based in wishful thinking not reality.

If it proves to be the case that he cannot, treat him with dignity and respect, thank him sincerely for all he has done for the team, and replace him. 

[Mr. Scot]

25 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

We respect what Jake Delhomme gave us thus the ring of honor.

If you choose to not respect what a guy has given and done for your team or the player himself that's on you.

$ culture doesn't breed good relationships or engender a culture of winning just ask David Gettleman. He didn't respect anybody.

You Scot are ungrateful and don't deserve football.

Steve Smith gave a lot of good years to this team, but he can't physically play anymore.

Should we sign him to a new contract just to say "thank you" for his past service?

I'll respect a guy's past accomplishments anytime, but what I would never do is devote money from our current salary cap towards somebody for what they did in the past.

If you're not contributing right now, you're not getting paid right now.

And here's a tip: No GM worth his salt in the NFL is gonna do that either, and I seriously doubt David Tepper would.

(guess they "don't deserve football" either)

[Mr. Scot]

14 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Among other things the NFL stands for NOT FOR LONG.

You can support a team or you can support a player based on past performance without regard to present situation. You cannot do both successfully. The contracts given out to aging players by Hurney 1.0 should be the only object lesson in this any Panthers fan needs.

If Cam can return and win, I would love nothing more than to continue to cheer for the guy. I have loved every minute of the energy, enthusiasm and toughness he has brought along with otherworldly athletic gifts. But at this moment right now, absolutely no one can say for sure that he can, and claims to the contrary are based in wishful thinking not reality.

If it proves to be the case that he cannot, treat him with dignity and respect, thank him sincerely for all he has done for the team, and replace him. 

As has been done for numerous other great players in the past from various teams.

This ain't something that just started with the Panthers.

[rippadonn]

18 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Steve Smith gave a lot of good years to this team, but he can't physically play anymore.

Should we sign him to a new contract just to say "thank you" for his past service?

I'll respect a guy's past accomplishments anytime, but what I would never do is devote money from our current salary cap towards somebody for what they did in the past.

If you're not contributing right now, you're not getting paid right now.

And here's a tip: No GM worth his salt in the NFL is gonna do that either, and I seriously doubt David Tepper would.

(guess they "don't deserve football" either)

If Cam Newton hit the market right now there are GMs right now that would PAY for his past performance. That's how players get paid Scot not for the future.

If your GM doesn't pay Cam, Cam will still get paid as a known commodity. I don't get your argument. You want to move on, just say so.

You probably want Rivera gone too, amiright?

[Moo Daeng]

10 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

If Cam Newton hit the market right now there are GMs right now that would PAY for his past performance. That's how players get paid Scot not for the future.

 

Players get paid for current and future potential. It's why guys like TD and Kalil make significantly less now than in the past. It's why we got Peppers back at a fraction of previous contracts. It's whey McCoy makes a little over half of what he did 4 years ago. One could give examples of this all day.

[rippadonn]

18 hours ago, bull123 said:

We also gave Jake $17m (I think that’s right) when we shouldn’t have

and I loved Jake...but it was a bad move

I remember the days of #2 pickles. To jump into that situation, while it may yield a high draft pick, is not "winning".

I didn't say pay Cam. I suggested the team tag him if they've got any concerns about his true physical health.

This isn't Tommy Joan this time. Brees went through shoulder surgery too and continued to have a great career. Had the Chargers kept him instead of trading for Rivers, who knows.

That's the mistake that could be repeated here.

 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

If Cam Newton hit the market right now there are GMs right now that would PAY for his past performance. That's how players get paid Scot not for the future.

If your GM doesn't pay Cam, Cam will still get paid as a known commodity. I don't get your argument. You want to move on, just say so.

You probably want Rivera gone too, amiright?

There were GM's that were willing to pay for Dan Morgan after we let him go too.

Didn't go so well.

Likewise, we paid for Eric Swann when other teams were saying he was washed up.

He was.

Nobody pays players for what they've done in the past. They pay for what it's believed you're going to do in the future.

Past performance isn't enough to determine that either. There also has to be sufficient assurance that you can still do it now.

Being wrong about that is how you wind up with free agent busts.

As to Rivera, still don't fully trust him (especially when it comes to roster management) but seeing that's some of the game management issues which had been attributed to him before haven't shown up the last few games, he might deserve a little re-evaluation in some areas.

[rippadonn]

1 minute ago, Moo Daeng said:

Payers get paid for current and future potential. It's why guys like TD and Kalil make significantly less now than in the past. It's why we got Peppers back at a fraction of previous contracts. It's whey McCoy makes a little over half of what he did 4 years ago. One could give examples of this all day.

Two sides of the same coin. No argument.

[rippadonn]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

There were GM's that were willing to pay for Dan Morgan after we let him go too.

Didn't go so well.

Likewise, we paid for Eric Swann when other teams were saying he was washed up.

He was.

Nobody pays players for what they've done in the past. They pay for what it's believed you're going to do in the future.

Past performance isn't enough to determine that either. There also has to be sufficient assurance that you can still do it now.

Being wrong about that is how you wind up with free agent busts.

As to Rivera, still don't fully trust him (especially when it comes to roster management) but seeing that's some of the game management issues which had been attributed to him before haven't shown up the last few games, he might deserve a little re-evaluation in some areas.

Dude, two sides of the same coin, again, no argument there. Both past film and future potential equate to market value. Done.

Yes Rivera isn't pure perfection but this is THE best coaching staff in Panthers history. Be happy.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

Dude, two sides of the same coin, again, no argument there. Both past film and future potential equate to market value. Done.

Yes Rivera isn't pure perfection but this is THE best coaching staff in Panthers history. Be happy.

When we've won a Super Bowl, I'll be happy.

(until the next season, at least)

[rodeo]

On 10/14/2019 at 9:14 AM, Saca312 said:

Heir to Drew Brees throne reunited with Ted Ginn in NO at this rate.

Cam with Michael Thomas would be sick, and Kamara is the closest analogue to CMC there is. add an offensive mind like Peyton and that's a dangerous recipe.

please don't go to NO

[Moo Daeng]

34 minutes ago, rodeo said:

Cam with Michael Thomas would be sick, and Kamara is the closest analogue to CMC there is. add an offensive mind like Peyton and that's a dangerous recipe.

please don't go to NO

That offense requires timing and accuracy neither  of which are Newton's strength. 

[rodeo]

8 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

That offense requires timing and accuracy neither  of which are Newton's strength. 

good coaches make the offense fit their players. that's why the saints have far better coaches than the panthers.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

So a QB that can't beat out Kyle Allen for the starting job...who's best play is hand the ball off to CMC..

Is going to command a trade price of multiple first round picks?