Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

4-0 But vs Who...

SetfreexX

By SetfreexX,
in Carolina Panthers

Recommended Posts

SetfreexX Mentor

SetfreexX

Posted
Posted

First let me establish that I am very happy over all with the state of the season and how we have turned things around after a poor start. I try to remain open minded, and flexible with most things. However, we've seen this before from a lot of teams, ''the hot hand'' narrative. As it stands right now even with KK out this is the BEST defense we have fielded since 2013 & 2015, and offensively this is the best group since the 2013 season (12-4) I believe we also had a poor start to that season as well. 

I think the media has been very lazy in the ''hype'' build up, Kyle Allen has been good, but without the defensive performance versus HOU and CMC going nuclear vs JAX we'd be 2-4 because those two games Allen was facing two really good defenses. TB has good run defense, but their secondary much like Arizona's is full of holes as a unit, I'd imagine most casual and even some here would struggle to name a defensive back on those two teams ''not named'' Patrick Peterson who is currently suspended. 

ARI - 2-3-1 (0 wins when we met)

HOU - 4-2 (2-1 when we met)

JAX - 2-4 (2-2 when we met)

TB - 2-4 (2-3 prior to the game)

Combined - 10-13 record

This stretch of the schedule was exactly what we needed for a back up to have a chance at holding things down until Cam returns healthy (If at all possible), as big of a fan as I am you have to really take the ''if'' into consideration. We are coming up on our bye, and getting ready to face the current class in the NFC two of the next three games. The 49ers (5-0) and Green Bay (4-1) with the Titans (2-4) in between. 

Coming up that is a combined 11-5 record easily a much larger tell and test for not only Kyle if he plays but us as a team, BOTH the 49ers and Greenbay are impressive in the front seven, and each team has at least one all-pro caliber defensive back (Sherman on SF, Adrian Amos, and Jaire Alexander on GB). 

I have no idea when Cam is expected to return if at all, but the narrative, and campaigning for Kyle Allen to take over needs to have the brakes pumped, he's been good, but I would need to see more than the sample size we've had to date to even begin considering moving forward. 

I think any educated football fan would be aware that a healthy Cam, (and that is the BIGGEST question at the moment), is worlds above Kyle Allen. Let's hope that is the case we were able to put ourselves in a great position to have a shot at returning to the post-season, I hope our Quarterback is able to return to form, because the last time I saw a healthy Cam Newton, we were looking like one of the BEST teams in the NFL, and right now the surrounding cast is even better.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites
SetfreexX Mentor

SetfreexX

Posted
  • Author
Posted
1 minute ago, pantherclaw said:

You can only play the teams that are on your schedule please stop down playing our record. 

 

Stupidity.  

Not down playing, I'm addressing the A''en ''hype'' / move on from Cam people, I'm simply saying two of our next three games will be real measuring sticks for this team. I am very happy as I said with the 4-2 start, but I also have to be realistic as well. 

I've been behind every QB we've had Peete, Delhomme, Moore, hell even had hope for Pickles, down playing a record, vs being smart about it are two different things. I'm a Panthers fan first, but the hype is simply that hype. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
PanthersBigD Newbie

PanthersBigD

Posted
Posted

They're beating supposedly bad teams by a wide margin. They avenged the week two loss to the Bucs with an epic ass whooping in London. The defense is getting better every week and the offense has proven that it can still put points on the board when a team effectively neutralizes CMC. I don't know why anyone would want to temper their enthusiasm for something we have no impact on. We can either sit back and enjoy the ride, or obsess over things we have no control over. I realize there are all kinds of people, and some do get off on accentuating the negative, but I am going to enjoy the ride. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
SetfreexX Mentor

SetfreexX

Posted
  • Author
Posted
5 minutes ago, Steve_Smith_Sr. said:

One of the teams who we lost to earlier in the season.... at home... who just beat the Rams... at home.  But we know that doesn't matter.  Jeez this is getting so old.

Record is the record, scroll up, that's what people tell me. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
SetfreexX Mentor

SetfreexX

Posted
  • Author
Posted
Just now, PanthersBigD said:

They're beating supposedly bad teams by a wide margin. They avenged the week two loss to the Bucs with an epic ass whooping in London. The defense is getting better every week and the offense has proven that it can still put points on the board when a team effectively neutralizes CMC. I don't know why anyone would want to temper their enthusiasm for something we have no impact on. We can either sit back and enjoy the ride, or obsess over things we have no control over. I realize there are all kinds of people, and some do get off on accentuating the negative, but I am going to enjoy the ride. 

Wide margin...

ARI game we won by 18

HOU game we won by 6

JAX game we won by 7

TB game we won by 11

We are wining by an average of 10.5 ppg which is IMO a good margin overall, but not ''wide''. 

I think we did what we were supposed to do vs teams that we are overall better than, and we escaped one in HOU, however a win, is a win, is a win. I'm happy to be 4-2. 

I'm just not sold on the Allen hype given who we've beaten, and still think a healthy Cam is a much better quarterback. That is all this was ever meant to be, but we have some who don't want to be realistic about Allen. I'm not surprised given the population here...

Link to comment
Share on other sites
PanthersBigD Newbie

PanthersBigD

Posted
Posted
2 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

Wide margin...

ARI game we won by 18 - Thorough ass whooping of an inferior team. 

HOU game we won by 6 - Team overcame awful play by Kyle Allen, defense stifled one of the most dynamic young QBs playing right now. Someone else said they're 2nd in AFC now, but not sure. 

JAX game we won by 7 - They had a good game against us, but we had a better one against them. They held the Saints to 13 points yesterday. 

TB game we won by 11 - We had that game in hand early on. It was never less than a two score game. 

We are winning by an average of 10.5 ppg which is IMO a good margin overall, but not ''wide''. 

I think we did what we were supposed to do vs teams that we are overall better than, and we escaped one in HOU, however a win, is a win, is a win. I'm happy to be 4-2. 

I'm just not sold on the Allen hype given who we've beaten, and still think a healthy Cam is a much better quarterback. That is all this was ever meant to be, but we have some who don't want to be realistic about Allen. I'm not surprised given the population here...

I want Cam back too. I'm not going to let a bunch of sh!tposters, who somehow really think that Kyle Allen could replace a healthy Cam, diminish my enjoyment of the way the team is playing. I'm really happy for Kyle Allen, and hope he continues to improve so that he's either an asset for us going forward, or he makes himself a ton of money in free agency. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Cuttinedge Rising Star

Cuttinedge

Posted
Posted

I’m happy to be 4-2 at this moment. Allen has done what is needed , defense and cmc have been overwhelmingly good

   But if Allen throws that type of pass to Samuel in the end zone with Sherman in coverage it might be a 101 yard pick 6. That was a great play by Samuel on a very poorly thrown back shoulder pass. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • rayzor
      We better not lose to the falcons for the next 7 years

      By rayzor · Posted

      why would you do that to us?
    • Panthro
      Jalen Milroe accepts invitation to the green room for the draft.

      By Panthro · Posted

      Maybe they meant to invite Jaxson Dart and got the names mixed up
    • Bear Hands
      BH's Round 1 (+Full Panthers) Mock

      By Bear Hands · Posted

      Decided to finally paste this in from my google drive...enjoy the mini-book. May make 1 addendum pre-draft.   2025 Mock Draft - Full 1st Round Note: 4 trades, just teams jumping for guys I think they’re targeting.   1. TEN - Cameron Ward QB Miami - Seems like Ward #1 is a near lock. 2. CLE - Travis Hunter DB/WR Colorado - The Browns are craving offense right now and I believe the rumors.  He brings it on both sides of the ball, elevates the entire team.  3. NYG - Adbul Carter DE/OLB Penn State - I don’t want to go Carter here, but it’s either this or Schoen/Daboll take a swing on Shedeur.  I just don’t think he’s going that high - their careers depend on this pick.  They landed Russ to band-aid, so him and a Carter addition could improve each side of the ball enough to survive another year.   4. NE - Will Campbell OT LSU - His game is great; it sounds like many teams have no issue with his size and think he can go at LT.  Great scenario for Maye if NE is one of those teams.   5. TRADE SF (from JAX) - Armand Membou OT Missouri - I think they’re taking calls and SF could have the ammo.  This is a spot that seems penciled in as Graham for JAX, but it’s just not feeling like the scenario for me.  Lynch/Shanahan are not shy to trade up.  They usually don’t go OL high, but everyone bucks their trends once in a while.  Huge need and they have a boatload of picks.  I could see a bit of crazy happening. 6. LVR - Ashton Jeanty RB Boise State - I’m buying into the common refrain here.  Jeanty in Carrol’s offense with Bowers as the top target is super interesting.  Could make Geno’s job a lot easier. 7. NYJ - Mason Graham DT Michigan - The value is just too good and the fit is great.  I have a sense that Graham could slip, but he meshes well with Glenn and that growing defense.  Doesn't get past NYJ. 8. CAR - Jalon Walker LB Georgia - Could easily see a trade if Graham and Walker are gone (SF, SEA & IND as potential suitors).  But with Walker here, he just makes a lot of sense for building that defense.  Lots of buzz around him going higher, but unsure where that would be.  This marriage feels inevitable.   9. NO - Shedeur Sanders QB Colorado - Sanders lands in New Orleans.  I just see the organization being the one that fits him and could take the risk.  Carr is not guaranteed that starter spot much longer if his play like last season continues.   10. TRADE IND (from CHI) - Tyler Warren TE Penn State - With Jeanty & OTs gone, Chicago takes calls.  Warren is available here, and I could see Indy jumping up slightly to grab him.  Chicago may want to gather more picks to best build Ben’s team for Caleb. 11. JAX (from SF) - Derrick Harmon DE/DT Oregon - Harmon would be a great fit to help with their DL.  One of my favorite players in the draft who I think is way more coveted than let on.  Wins with his hands, has great size, length, gets after the QB, good run defender.  Slippery, high motor, understands how to advance in the trenches.  Too promising to go much later. 12. DAL - Mykel Williams DE/EDGE UGA - May not have the production you want, but the flashes are there.  Has the size and a great motor.  Needs to improve his pass rush plan, but after watching interviews, I can see why he’s viewed favorably.  Heavily linked to Dallas, could go as high as 8/CAR. 13. MIA - Jahdae Barron DB Texas - Best defensive playmaker in the draft and they are in need of more talent across the board on defense.  High football IQ, all over the field type. Good long term option, high floor, great skills.  Pairing him with Ramsey would be nice.   14. CHI (from IND) - Omarion Hampton RB UNC - Here’s where it gets interesting.  They’ve met with him multiple times, and I could see Johnson licking his chops at the possibility of Hampton.  It’s much more stomach-able with this trade down, gaining some capital in the process.   15. ATL - Donovan Ezeiruaku OLB BC - There’s reported interest and I think teams are pretty high on Ez (for good reason).  Being an Ez fan, I don’t want to see him in ATL, but they need a sure-thing pass rusher, and he’s the most sure thing in that department this draft.   16. TRADE GB (from AZ) - Matthew Golden WR Texas - The Packers finally buck the trend and aggressively go after a round 1 receiver.  If Golden is around, and they like him enough, I can see this type of move being made to help Love.   17. CIN - Kenneth Grant DT/NT Michigan - Shoring up the DL would be a smart move.  They need a boost in a big way, and Grant is a monster who I have a hard time not seeing being effective, and quickly.  Awesome fit for what the Bengals need as well. 18. SEA - Kelvin Banks Jr OT Texas - They’ve been linked, met, have the need, and could be wise given all the new investments on offense.  Zabel or Banks are in play here, could also see them trade up with their picks.   19. TB - Will Johnson CB Notre Dame - His value here becomes too good to ignore but injury concerns do bring him down a tad. Bucs wind up with a corner they can’t refuse. 20. DEN - Tetiaroa McMillan WR Arizona - Slipping just a bit, he makes it to Denver who lands guy for Nix to grow with.   21. PIT - Tyleik Williams DT/NT Ohio State - A bit higher than expected – the Steelers are in need of offensive help in a major way but they need an overall reset.  For that - it’s trenches out.  Arguably the best run defender in the draft and is being way overlooked.  Has met with every team, is spoken of super highly in scouting circles.  Tyleik is one of those guys everyone is trying to be quiet about. 22. LAC - Colston Loveland TE Michigan - Harbaugh brings in familiar company to LA.  They have some DL needs but pairing Loveland in that offense could be a great situation to boost Herbert and team.  I don't think he's this mid-round 1 pick everyone seems to be stamping in but this is a nice scenario.     23. AZ (from GB) - Walter Nolen DT Ole Miss - Nolen doesn’t slip all the way past round 1, too much talent.  Cardinals get a much needed DL presence. 24. MIN - Jihaad Campbell LB Alabama - Tore his labrum post-combine, so will likely miss half the season (at least), but I don’t think that drops him too far.  Vikes have the roster built to let him mend and ease into things.   25. HOU - Donovan Jackson OT/G Ohio State - He fits their needs in a big way and is viewed more favorably by teams than the other IOLs.  Stroud gets a familiar pal for much needed protection. 26. LAR - Trey Amos CB Ole Miss - A riser who keeps rising and fits the zone/man combo that McVay likes.  Could fit very nicely in LA. 27. BAL - Grey Zabel IOL North Dakota State - BAL is a popular safety destination but I see IOL as a primary target if Zabel is here.  He’s been a major riser, getting real R1 love.  The fit here is pretty spot on. 28. DET - Mike Green EDGE/OLB Marshall - Green is a gamble, his history is a bit of an unknown, but suspect.  If he checks out interview-wise with teams, he could end up in a solid late round spot.  Huge boost for the Lions. (Watch for Scourton here too) 29. WAS - Nick Emmanwori S South Carolina - After seeing what they were able to get out of Chinn, this could be a great fit for a defense who needs some secondary help.   30. BUF - Emeka Egbuka WR Ohio State - A bit of a WR slippage allows the Bills to grab a complimentary piece along with Coleman.  Pairs well to boost that offense and get them a bit more efficient.   31. KC - Josh Simmons OT Ohio State - Could be a smart move for the second half of Mahomes career.  It was a problem come playoff time and he needs the help, worth the gamble here even with his injury.   32. TRADE CHI (from PHI) - Josh Conerly OT Oregon - I think there could be some OLs to fly off the board late 1st.  Chicago now having gained picks, moves up from 39.  Hampton + Conerly would be a haul with pick 41 not far away for their 3rd pick.     Notables Not Included: QB3 - Not buying Milroe, Dart, Shough, any of them, as round 1 quarterbacks. Shavon Revel Jr. CB ECU - Could easily see Revel in the first, Vikes or Bills are possibilities.  Awesome name. Aireontae Ersery OT Minnesota - Like him but he’s just on the outside looking in with round 1, only so many spots. Malaki Starks S UGA - He’s a very solid prospect but safeties simply are not coveted, he lacks deep speed, and had a spotty 2024.  Legit talent is there - could fall into someone’s arms like Branch did in DET. Tyler Booker OG Alabama - I simply don’t see 3 IOLs in R1.  Still see him going top-40. Maxwell Hairston CB Kentucky - Another really solid prospect I just didn't find the fit for. Nic Scourton DE/EDGE Texas A&M - Was a top 2025 prospect before last season, and he still has the traits that got him that hype.  A potential Lions target. Shemar Stewart DL/EDGE - Just not seeing it even with the testing. Maybe a team takes the gamble but unsure. Darius Alexander DL - Like him but just didn’t find the right spot.  Age (25) could impact where he goes.  Luther Burden III WR Missouri - I just didn’t see a fit and could see him fall out of the first due to a variety of reasons.  James Pearce Jr. OLB Tennessee - I feel there’s traction to his character concerns more than the others.  I don’t see him in R1.   --   Panthers Draft: Still predictive with a hint of my guys/targets:   1. Jalon Walker LB UGA 6’2 243 Land a guy who can become a vocal leader for the team and create a bit of energy on defense.  Pairs well with Trevin longer term and starts alongside Jewell more immediately.  Instant impact. 2.1 - Bradyn Swinson EDGE/OLB LSU  6’4 255 33”+ arms, ~10” hands  A high upside, big framed 3-4 edge rusher from a major program.  Swinson had strong production, exhibits great bend and quickness. Can easily fill in with his frame to become a capable edge setter.  Would be a sound decision in R2. 2.2 (Trade Up) 3rd+5th - Jaylin Noel WR Iowa State 5’11 201 I don’t think he’ll be there come round 3, but this is the specific guy I think we should target.  It’s not just that he’s the “shifty” type, but his catch radius is huge for his size.  Great hand/eye coordination and extremely good at contested catches.  From video interviews I’ve seen, I also imagine this kid is killing it with meetings and seems very into the game.  Teams definitely like him.  We’ve got (3) 5th rounders, so whatevs, use one to move up a bit.         4.1 Jacob Parrish NB/CB Kansas State 5’10 191 Really fluid, plays bigger than he is and would be a long term solution as the primary NB.  Immediately comes in over Smith-Wade who is still solid depth.  4.2 Jonas Sanker S Virginia Seems to be a safety they’ve taken a liking to.  Could be a nice fit alongside Moehrig.    5.1 (traded) - if not - Tai Felton WR Maryland is one of my favorite mid/late round WRs 5.2 Jonah Monheim C/G/T USC - Versatile late round swing lineman to take a flyer on. 5.3 Warren Brinson DT/NT UGA Bring in one of Walker’s teammates as well who could work out long term with some grooming behind Bobby Brown.  Big boy at 6’5 315.  Depth and competition in the trenches is needed to bolster this defense. 7. Caden Davis K Ole Miss Wrap it up by landing a kicker.  What a dude.  
×
×
  • Create New...