Bucs DC said Kyle Allen presented more of a challenge than Cam

[SmartyHurney]

Just now, Moo Daeng said:

Newton fumbled away the Super Bowl in his prime. Fumbles and interceptions have ended 3 out of 4 if our playoff runs with Newton.

Yeah, please keep posting about an MVP season where the top receivers were all JAGS, his runningbacks were trash, and the offensive line featured Remmers as a star.

[countryboi]

I dont believe for a second that any DC would rather face Kyle Allen or a Healthy Cam. Bowles is just adding to a fire in hopes the Panthers do something dumb like bench a healthy Newton and the "Fans" on this board eat it up. 

[ickmule]

1 minute ago, Krovvy said:

Then why does he fumble so often?

Do you watch the games ? On a few occasional plays Allen held the ball a bit longer than he should have, Cam does it on almost every play and he is always looking for the home run vs. getting the ball to a receiver quickly and letting them make plays.  Allen also has good touch on his throws whereas Cam throws every pass as a fast ball.  It’s not something new and I wonder why so many people can’t see the obvious.  No question that Cam is a superior athlete over most QB’s, but he has always locked touch of his throws.  
a few of Allen’s fumbles had zero to do with holding the ball too long, they were just good plays by the defensive player.   

[hepcat]

It is going to be a loooong bye week with this speculation 

[Mr. Scot]

“I think everyone’s just looking for a reason to take away from what he’s done. And all he’s done is what he’s needed to do, which is win, move our offense, be efficient, make the plays that are available. And that’s what he’s done,” tight end Greg Olsen said.

- Greg Olsen (quoted by Joe Person in The Athletic

[Krovvy]

4 minutes ago, Nesbro1 said:

Or he doesn't lock in on one guy like Greg.

The fact has always been that Cam doesn't spread the ball. So as a defensive coach you only focus on his tendency. 

You know people keep saying he isn't a one man show. When was the last time a one man show won a Superbowl. 

You should look up some stats from 2014-2016. Norv has made this team depend almost entirely on a runningback.

Obviously after playing Tampa once they realized that feeding Christian wasn't going to work against the number one rushing defense, that was even doubling a runningback in coverage. They changed the gameplan up this week, and it worked well. Samuel and Moore were featured this week, and Christian received fewer touches.

This isn't news, just look at the Christian MVP talk from last week, and how many were mad that he was getting overused up until this game.

[Pantha-kun]

wow

[SmartyHurney]

1 minute ago, stbugs said:

First, the 7 turnovers were aided by a big lead. We couldn’t score week 2, period so Winston didn’t feel any pressure to Winston. Second, Daley isn’t the second coming. I’ll be honest that I think part of what helps is that Allen gets to the line 20 seconds before Cam. The entire offense gets to survey the D, find the guys they are interested in and ghast snap the ball before the D gets ready. I don’t know why but Cam puts more pressure in the OL because the DL knows when we are going to snap the ball and the D is always locked and loaded. It’s one of the things most criticized and with Allen it’s not happening. Williams sucks at LT but he certainly wasn’t helped by getting to the line early and motioning someone over to help, etc.

Are you fuging shitting me? The first play of the game Winston thrown it right to Bradberry, and gave the Panthers free points. How the fug is that one chalked up to Allen? The Tampa bay offensive line was atrocious and Winston wasn't seeing the field. They gave up 7 balls, 4 which were short fields. The Panthers had 10 fuging drives where they didn't manage to score a touchdown, 7 where they didn't score points, and were 3/15 on third down.

 

[Pantherzack179812]

19 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Rich Eisen

Apparently this was said during interviews the week leading up to the game.

Cue the Cam-Fans. Anybody who is begging for a change in this team when we haven't lost in 4 games is stupid. 

[Pantha-kun]

Just now, Dunn said:

We won, and put up 30+ points again...this isn't an anomaly with this offense if it gets clicking.  Allen is able to hit receivers and place the ball better then Newton.  He isn't as athletically as gifted as Newton but from the standpoint of ball placement and hitting WRs in stride, Allen is superior. 

pretty much.

[poorboysrev]

14 minutes ago, SmartyHurney said:

Two things. 7 turnovers, and Daley.

If that Tampa team from week 2 played even a hobbled Cam with the offensive line from this week, as well as Daley at LT and it's an easy win.

Thank you...people are acting very ignorant of these facts. Williams was a turnstile vs the bucs..newsflash you actually protect your QB and get turnovers and you win games. If we drop Cam He’s going to be in Atlanta before the paperwork is filed and kicking our ass with Julio and company for the next 5 years. 

I like Allen and said all offseason we didn’t need a backup because he looked like a legit QB...Cam’s one of the only QBs in the league that gives Bill Belichick and the Patriots nightmares/problems. I’ll take that over Todd Bowles’ opinion ha.

 

 

[ncfan]

8 minutes ago, KB_fan said:

The more interesting comment from Bowles was this:

 

That last one struck me

With Cam it was on the "mesh point between Cam and Newton 85% of the time"

Since Cam has went down CMC has really carried the load 25+ carries a game to Allens 25ish pass attempts.

Prior CMC's carries were down.  You would think itd be easier knowing to need to focus on CMC a majority of the time.  Probably helps Allen there is so little film on him either, even from the college level

[Cary Kollins]

Sounds more like a problem with the play calling if the opposing coaches know what you’re doing 85% of the time.

[GoobyPls]

Now post what Belichick said about Cam. You know the greatest coach of all time not the one who got torched by Daniel Jones