Kyle Allen's numbers

[Krovvy]

3 minutes ago, SurvivalSloth said:

 NFL.com has San Fran:
#1 pass defense @ 150 yds/gm

#6 rush defense @ 87.2 yds/gm

Their opponents so far have a combined record of 9-21, so take that for what it's worth (they can only play who's been put on the schedule). But the 49ers look solid. Should be a playoff caliber match up. 

Yeah, which is why I hope Allen starts. If he bombs, I'm not surprised, if he excels... then maybe we have something. 

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Just now, Krovvy said:

Whoa, that is a lot of YAC this year. The difference from having two massive tight ends playing receiver, and guys that can actually shake a defender.

Roughly half of Allen's yardage is likely YAC, but that is true for most QBs honestly (just did a quick eyeball add-up of Maholmes, and it's true there as well). You're right though, it's REALLY nice being able to see guys make plays after catching the football.

[KB_fan]

19 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Who cares? In two of the games we had massive leads. Winston threw for 400 yards. Did he have a good game or did he have to chuck it all second half to try and stay in the game?

He gave you yards per attempt, where he’s 7th. That’s pretty good since he’s been labeled as just checking down all the time. 

This! 

If you looked only at yards you'd assume we lost yesterday and last week, giving up 500+ and 400+

Playing with a lead and having an opportunistic defense can lead to wins even when opposing teams put up stats like that.  Also, our offense played with a bunch of short fields from the takeaways. I'll take 30 yard TD drives over "impressive" 80+ yard drives every time.

That said, our 99 yard TD drive yesterday probably won the game.  That was damn impressive.  When I saw that I was confident we'd win.

[Krovvy]

1 minute ago, KB_fan said:

This! 

If you looked only at yards you'd assume we lost yesterday and last week, giving up 500+ and 400+

Playing with a lead and having an opportunistic defense can lead to wins even when opposing teams put up stats like that.  Also, our offense played with a bunch of short fields from the takeaways. I'll take 30 yard TD drives over "impressive" 80+ yard drives every time.

That said, our 99 yard TD drive yesterday probably won the game.  That was damn impressive.  When I saw that I was confident we'd win.

I mean, if you looked at the turnover differential you would think Carolina scored 50, and won by 20+ points. 

[TheMaulClaw]

2 minutes ago, lightsout said:

Roughly half of Allen's yardage is likely YAC, but that is true for most QBs honestly (just did a quick eyeball add-up of Maholmes, and it's true there as well). You're right though, it's REALLY nice being able to see guys make plays after catching the football.

YAC is good. It let's you know the qb is delivering the ball in stride.

[TheMaulClaw]

6 hours ago, Krovvy said:

I mean, if you looked at the turnover differential you would think Carolina scored 50, and won by 20+ points. 

They could have if they didnt initiate the prevent at the end of the 3rd quarter. Prevent D and prevent O.

[Krovvy]

Just now, TheMaulClaw said:

YAC is good. It let's you know the qb is delivering the ball in stride.

Damn, and all I this time I thought Christian was special at shaking defenders. Who knew it was just Allen's heavenly passes.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Sorta like how a GM can't improve after experience?

Wait.

Didn't say he can't. Said I don't believe he has and I still don't trust him.

Curious though: If he makes the decision to trade Newton, will you still trust him?

[TheMaulClaw]

Just now, Krovvy said:

Damn, and all I this time I thought Christian was special at shaking defenders. Who knew it was just Allen's heavenly passes.

CMAC is good...but there are plenty of examples. Look at that pass to Moore at the end of the 1st half of the Texans game.

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Just now, Krovvy said:

Damn, and all I this time I thought Christian was special at shaking defenders. Who knew it was just Allen's heavenly passes.

To be fair, it is both. And to be fair, Cam typically hit CMC in stride often...but you KNOW that last season, even when healthy, Cam benefited from CMC being an extremely gifted athlete on some of his throws (just as Allen did yesterday with that one-handed grab over the middle).

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Krovvy said:

Damn, and all I this time I thought Christian was special at shaking defenders. Who knew it was just Allen's heavenly passes.

There are definitely things that Newton does better than Allen, but there are also things that Allen does better than Newton.

Consistently hitting players in stride is one of them.

[mav1234]

13 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Cassell didn't have a MVP RB touching the ball 80% of the time.  And he was having to throw more, avg about 300 yards a game.  He wasnt gifted early leads, he had to lead the drive to get the lead.

Cassels first five starts, he averaged less than 200 yards, threw 5 tds, 3 picks and was 3 and 2 as a starter.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Didn't say he can't. Said I don't believe he has and I still don't trust him.

Curious though: If he makes the decision to trade Newton, will you still trust him?

If he makes the decision to trade Newton that would mean that Allen has shown more than he has the past 4 weeks.  If Allen does that, I am completely fine.

 

5 minutes ago, KB_fan said:

I'll take 30 yard TD drives over "impressive" 80+ yard drives every time.

My issue is we aren't getting those 30 yard td drives often enough on our short field turn overs.

Against Tampa Bay, we had 1 TD drive of less than 30 yards.  While we had like 3 short drive field goals.

 

[Krovvy]

9 minutes ago, lightsout said:

To be fair, it is both. And to be fair, Cam typically hit CMC in stride often...but you KNOW that last season, even when healthy, Cam benefited from CMC being an extremely gifted athlete on some of his throws (just as Allen did yesterday with that one-handed grab over the middle).

Last year Cam benefited from Christian, definitely. Until his arm fell off his passing statistics were pretty amazing. A lot of it having to do with having an outlet that could catch anything, and then make a play.