Cam should start vs SF and thoughts on Kyle Allen

[twylyght]

Just.... wow.  For those of us that prefer winning in a businesslike manner vs losing in a flashy manner, we're pointing to the scoreboard.

[45catfan]

10 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah, Mariota got benched. Josh Rosen did too.

Yet we are winning with an undrafted guy and some people want to b*tch.  Those folks can't be happy with prosperity unless is occurs the way they want it to.  I'm sure they would gladly take  2 or 3 loses if it means the team rushes to reinsert Cam as the starter.  If the ends justify the means...

[GoobyPls]

50 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Nah. You just want him to be Keenum.  Keenum has been in the league way longer and is older then Allen. KA is just a better player. I can see an Alex Smith comparison...or really a Jared Goff comparison. I just cant see Keenum bro.

You can’t see cause you don’t want to see it. Matter of fact Keenum was asked to more in Minny

 

Also Alex Smith isn’t a franchise QB either, he’s a text book game manager whose about to be on his 4th team next year

[trueblade]

3 hours ago, raz said:

strangely from the time he's gone in he's had a grasp on getting plays called and getting in and out of the huddle in a timely manner and we haven't been wasting timeouts.  that's crazy and really an indictment on cam's lack of improvement in this area.   i have trashed this coaching staff for it over and over and over again.  turns out it isn't their fault.   

During the Jacksonville game, I noticed every time the Panthers got close to the end of the play clock , it was after a personnel change. I wonder if that isn't part of the problem but even a second or two can make a difference. 

[CPcavedweller]

13 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

I think the panthers should start Cam vs SF to see if he still has it vs a top team, if he shows signs of an old Cam we stick with him. If he’s still struggling throwing down field then he’s time in Carolina is over. If he’s not healthy by that bye week then I don’t think he will ever be healthy.

 

As for Allen I don’t think he a franchise QB and I think it will be incredibly hard to reach much less win a SB with his limited talent. He reminds me of Trubisky last season when the bears went 12-4 or Keenum in 2017 when the Vikings went 13-3, fans will buy into them cause they are winning and not getting in the way of the team. But when push comes to shove and they are asked to carry the team that’s where they fail.

That's where 90% of NFL quarterbacks fail. We don't need a Superman with this team. We need a guy who can spread the ball around, let your play makers make plays, and be efficient. Allen is the epitome of efficiency and is making reads and throws that we would usually see Cam screw up a few times a game. We don't need CMC catching 10 passes like we did with Newton, we see a guy delivering the ball downfield, we see a guy throwing before someone comes out of their break, we see a guy who appears to make the right reads almost every time. 

Todd Bowles himself stated that preparing for the Panthers with Allen at QB is more difficult because he does a better job of utilizing every player in the offense. To defend Cam, you take away McCaffrey and disguise coverage. Against Allen, he is going to find the hot read and make the play while delivering the ball to whichever player has the best match-up. 

Gone are the days of forcing the ball into triple coverage to Olsen because he locks onto him. Gone are the days of waiting for Moore to pop open on a route that he is never going to pop open on, and gone are the days of just dumping the ball off to CMC because there aren't 4 other receivers on the field.

Cam needs to sit until Allen proves he isn't the guy.

0-8 with Cam, 0-1 with Taylor, 5-0 with Allen in our last 14 games. You don't bench that. You definitely don't bench that coming off of a bye week against an undefeated team in a game that could have huge implications in playoff positioning. 

[TheMaulClaw]

6 hours ago, fortyrod said:

CMC. A defense that hands him multiple short fields on a silver platter. I'm pulling hard for Kyle but he hasn't carried the team yet and Cam did that with regularity.

I wouldnt say he did that with regularity. Cam has always had a decent stable of rbs. Cam had an exceptional 2015...and has always had a stellar D. He is not a one man team either. I'm not here to say KA will ever be a 2015 Cam. I will say that Cam can never be 2015 Cam again.

[fortyrod]

1 hour ago, TheMaulClaw said:

I will say that Cam can never be 2015 Cam again.

I fear that may be true. Sure hope it isn't. 80% of 2015 Cam would still be a big step up from most QBs. Guess we get to wait and see...

 

[Ivan The Awesome]

20 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

 

As for Allen I don’t think he a franchise QB and I think it will be incredibly hard to reach much less win a SB with his limited talent. He reminds me of Trubisky last season when the bears went 12-4 or Keenum in 2017 when the Vikings went 13-3, fans will buy into them cause they are winning and not getting in the way of the team. But when push comes to shove and they are asked to carry the team that’s where they fail.

We already seen what Cam can do in a super bowl...

[ncfan]

1 minute ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

We already seen what Cam can do in a super bowl...

With Ted ginn, 100 year old Cotchery, Philly Brown, and Funchess as his WRs. 

And Tolbert fumbling the ball

And we still in the game despite our OL getting beat like a drum

[TheRed]

3 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

We already seen what Cam can do in a super bowl...

52 other players lost that Super Bowl with him.

Might as well change up the avatar if this all you've got Ivan.

[Kuhndog94]

20 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

The same Trubisky who only led his team once to endzone  (kicker made 3 fg) and scored a measly 15 points at home

 

Most people who study film will tell you Trubisky isn’t a franchise QB and the bears use a lot of smoke and mirrors to prop him up.

Didn't Trubisky beat us when he only completed 4 passes? 

[g5jamz]

There is no such thing as a 100% Cam, because you're basing it on a player that existing seasons back.  He's slower and what IMO seems to be a lack of confidence. 

and I still believe he should've dove on the fumble.  

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, TheRed said:

52 other players lost that Super Bowl with him.

Might as well change up the avatar if this all you've got Ivan.

2015 Panthers were an all time great team.  15-1 thanks to Cam.  We beat Denver 2 out of 3 times.  Best team doesn’t always win.  

That game came down to the staff not making an adjustment on a problem.  Miller vs our RT.  That was the game.  Plus the the refs/NFL wanting Manning to win and not making calls that would hurt Denver. 

[ncfan]

9 minutes ago, TheRed said:

51 other players lost that Super Bowl with him.

Might as well change up the avatar if this all you've got Ivan.

Woah woah woah

 

 

We cant skew the narrative 

 

 

Thats not how this works.

Allen gets the credit for the W's depsite CMC on pace for almost NFL record numbers and the defense playing at a Elite level.

 

So despite the OL getting torched, Tolbert fumbling the ball, etc.  Thats all on Cam!!!!