Cam should start vs SF and thoughts on Kyle Allen

[TheMaulClaw]

14 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Yeah in those 5 games Warner was averaging over 300 yards 3 TD and completing 75% of his passes. Your just throwing numbers out there with zero context just to make yourself look right

 

 

Who the fu*k said Cam had no help this season? Everyone included myself was blaming Cam for the those loses especially vs Tampa 

 

Your throwing sh*t at the wall hoping it sticks

Not really. Go back read what I wrote right before I mentioned Kurt Warner. I said it wasnt an accurate comparison. But he is the only undrafted qb to win his first 5 starts. Please go back and reread...maybe you're a selective reader. Here I'll copy and paste what ai wrote.

"In fact the only comparison you could make, and IT'S INACCURATE TOO, is Kurt Warner. Who had Marshall Faulk. Like we have CMC. "

[GoobyPls]

5 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Not really. Go back read what I wrote right before I mentioned Kurt Warner. I said it wasnt an accurate comparison. But he is the only undrafted qb to win his first 5 starts. Please go back and reread...maybe you're a selective reader. Here I'll copy and paste what ai wrote.

"In fact the only comparison you could make, and IT'S INACCURATE TOO, is Kurt Warner. Who had Marshall Faulk. Like we have CMC. "

Except even bringing up Warner name into this conversation is asinine.

 

He was way more in common with Keenum than Warner WAY MORE. And you just don’t want to admit it

[Mikey818]

12 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

I think the panthers should start Cam vs SF to see if he still has it vs a top team, if he shows signs of an old Cam we stick with him. If he’s still struggling throwing down field then he’s time in Carolina is over. If he’s not healthy by that bye week then I don’t think he will ever be healthy.

 

As for Allen I don’t think he a franchise QB and I think it will be incredibly hard to reach much less win a SB with his limited talent. He reminds me of Trubisky last season when the bears went 12-4 or Keenum in 2017 when the Vikings went 13-3, fans will buy into them cause they are winning and not getting in the way of the team. But when push comes to shove and they are asked to carry the team that’s where they fail.

Allen has limited talent? He has won 5 straight games with 0 picks. He’s accurate and smart unlike Cam 

[TheMaulClaw]

15 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Except even bringing up Warner name into this conversation is asinine.

 

He was way more in common with Keenum than Warner WAY MORE. And you just don’t want to admit it

Nah. You just want him to be Keenum.  Keenum has been in the league way longer and is older then Allen. KA is just a better player. I can see an Alex Smith comparison...or really a Jared Goff comparison. I just cant see Keenum bro.

[PghPanther]

I'm no fan of the type of QB that Newton is. I don't like over emotional, run designed QBs. They can pull off some starling wins but they are not leaders nor pocket passing managers of strategic ways to win over the long haul.......let alone stay healthy.

Call me what you want, I don't care what you think of me. However, in regard of what to do with Allen and the way he is playing right now as to what to do in the short term and the future with the QB position on this team?

I don't know.............I don't have clue..........and I'm not going to even guess what should be done.

[fortyrod]

12 hours ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Ok...so what smoke and mirrors have we used for KA?

CMC. A defense that hands him multiple short fields on a silver platter. I'm pulling hard for Kyle but he hasn't carried the team yet and Cam did that with regularity.

[NAS]

12 hours ago, ncfan said:

Cam should only start if he is 100%

Not 80, not 90

 

 

100%, what he was before last years Steelers game.  

Otherwise we keep running with Allen

 

 

 

Cam was not 100%  before the Steelers game. His shoulder was getting sore and regularly had off days in practice to rest it.  We had concerns about the lack of deep ball even when they were winning.  The injury against the Steelers just made it worse.  

But I agree, only start him when and if he can prove he doesn’t have any limitations to throw or run.

 

[NAS]

50 minutes ago, d-dave said:

I think Kyle needs to start until Cam is 100%.  I'm still waiting to see Allen have to deal with some adversity, but he's playing well, playing within himself, and doing a great job.  Kyle has had a few big boy throws (like the one to Wright on the side line yesterday, beautiful pass), but he's not having to put the game on his shoulders the way a franchise QB is supposed to do.  I'm still waiting for that.  If Allen can will the Panthers to a win, I'll be much more willing to let Newton walk.

I think Kyle has shown us how important it is for Cam to have a back up.  What if Cam ends up missing 2-3 games a year for the next few years, but still play at a high level when he's in?  Cam is like your exotic sports car.  Runs beautifully, but needs more maintenance.  Allen is your daily driver.  Not exactly sexy, but he gets the job done very well.

Let's keep our daily driver until our sports car is out of the shop.

I think he has already shown he can handle adversity, even after the fumbles. That 99 yd drive yesterday showed he can lead this team

[raz]

1 hour ago, SmartyHurney said:

No poo? Like I said Kyle Allen isn't asked to do much. He's not even being asked to RPO or read option hardly at all. Cam at least had that responsibility.

Most of the plays for Allen are pretty basic, but there's a lot of motion and movement before the ball is snapped. Right now the playmakers are being asked to step up and execute.

first you said cam audibled all the time in game 5, now you're saying he didn't.  and calling me a liar.    we did all that motion with cam too.  you're hilarious.   funny how you're also complaining about the playmakers doing their job.  hilarious and ridiculous.   maybe get lost for a minute and come up with something coherent.

[raz]

40 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Except even bringing up Warner name into this conversation is asinine.

 

He was way more in common with Keenum than Warner WAY MORE. And you just don’t want to admit it

you mean during keenum's one really good year.  ok.   

[SmartyHurney]

1 minute ago, raz said:

first you said cam audibled all the time in game 5, now you're saying he didn't.  and calling me a liar.    we did all that motion with cam too.  you're hilarious.   funny how you're also complaining about the playmakers doing their job.  hilarious and ridiculous.   maybe get lost for a minute and come up with something coherent.

No I didn't, you inferred that. I said Cam audibles all the time (present tense). I mean, actually he did audible a lot even as a rookie, but I didn't feel like bringing up old game footage to prove a point. If you didn't watch the game, or didn't realize what was going on it's your own problem.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, SmartyHurney said:

No poo? Like I said Kyle Allen isn't asked to do much. He's not even being asked to RPO or read option hardly at all. Cam at least had that responsibility.

Most of the plays for Allen are pretty basic, but there's a lot of motion and movement before the ball is snapped. Right now the playmakers are being asked to step up and execute.

Cam running zone read isn’t added responsibility really.  It is tweaking pro system to make it easier on a player. It gave Cam some easy plays. 

Hell man, most of Tom Brady’s plays are pretty basic.  Mostly he is just playing the first 20 yards and doing real simplistic things.  He just does them near flawless 

[raz]

1 minute ago, SmartyHurney said:

No I didn't, you inferred that. I said Cam audibles all the time (present tense). I mean, actually he did audible a lot even as a rookie, but I didn't feel like bringing up old game footage to prove a point. If you didn't watch the game, or didn't realize what was going on it's your own problem.

you're hilarious.  good luck with your thesis

[SmartyHurney]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

Cam running zone read isn’t added responsibility really.  It is tweaking pro system to make it easier on a player. It gave Cam some easy plays. 

Hell man, most of Tom Brady’s plays are pretty basic.  Mostly he is just playing the first 20 yards and doing real simplistic things.  He just does them near flawless 

That's insane. Cam was directly responsible for those plays, that's an added element of the defense he has to read, live, during the play.

Also, Cam as a rookie did audible some. Allen is playing on an offense that has a lot of moving pieces prior to the snap, so that he doesn't have to adjust the playcall and instead the matchups are dictated specifically on the play design.