Kyle Allen's Contract

[TheRed]

 

5 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Everyone is operating on the assumption that Allen's collapse and the collapse of the defense and the oline are unrelated.  At 4-0 with a 108. QB rating--how did he do that?  The defense was much better then than after they collapsed.  When a young QB falls behind, the defense blitzes like crazy and takes advantage of his inexperience.  OK, now you have a fifth round rookie at LT, and C on roller skates, some turd at LG--guess what happened?  What should have happened.  So while your hindsight is amazing---we still do not know what we have in our QBs because any qb in the NFL would have struggled in these conditions.  Allen could still have an NFL career despite what you think you saw.

I know you need this to feel confident at something, but it is pathetic to scroll back 4 months to find something a poster on a discussion board said that did not pan out.  What kind of insecurity does it take to do that, Red?   What are you hoping to accomplish and for what reason?  This is a board where fans go to discuss their thoughts--nobody here keeps score--except those with mild to severe personality disorders.  Get help.  We are here for you when you get better.

The "collapse" was directly created by the constant fumbles and 16 interceptions.

This really isn't difficult to comprehend.

[Waldo]

One game does not make a season and one season doesn't make a career. That ceiling came crashing down with tape. He is a backup that will have to fight for a spot.

[MHS831]

2 minutes ago, Waldo said:

One game does not make a season and one season doesn't make a career. That ceiling came crashing down with tape. He is a backup that will have to fight for a spot.

Funny, but Bridgewater in New Orleans won 5 games in a row this after some bad tape in Minnesota--now his is looking at a $20m+ contract somewhere.  He had a clean pocket and a solid defense. 

If you switched the two players, would Bridgewater be able to play like that here? 

Allen may not be that good, but he is not that bad either.  If he sucked in a situation where Tom Brady would have sucked, how can you write him off?

Allen showed what he can do--and that is what you build on.  He also showed us how he is when he has to pass every play behind a joke of an OL.  Not good enough to carry the team.  So what did we learn?  We need DL and OL.  Let Allen compete when the conditions are good--if he sucks, he sucks.  It is nobody's fault.  4 games is a quarter of a season and to be 4-0 and have a 108 rating is impressive. 

 

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

15 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Everyone is operating on the assumption that Allen's collapse and the collapse of the defense and the oline are unrelated.  At 4-0 with a 108. QB rating--how did he do that?  The defense was much better then than after they collapsed.  When a young QB falls behind, the defense blitzes like crazy and takes advantage of his inexperience.  OK, now you have a fifth round rookie at LT, and C on roller skates, some turd at LG--guess what happened?  What should have happened.  So while your hindsight is amazing---we still do not know what we have in our QBs because any qb in the NFL would have struggled in these conditions.  Allen could still have an NFL career despite what you think you saw.

I know you need this to feel confident at something, but it is pathetic to scroll back 4 months to find something a poster on a discussion board said that did not pan out.  What kind of insecurity does it take to do that, Red?   What are you hoping to accomplish and for what reason?  This is a board where fans go to discuss their thoughts--nobody here keeps score--except those with mild to severe personality disorders.  Get help.  We are here for you when you get better.

My hindsight is amazing?

I literally called this from day one.  This is not hindsight.  This is calling out people who felt Allen was the future of the franchise, despite not playing that well.  From the moment Allen started, even during his win streak, I stated we were winning in spite of Allen not because of Allen.

And you may want to double check who you are replying to.

 

[TheRed]

8 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Allen may not be that good, but he is not that bad either.

The data says otherwise.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/passing.htm

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

7 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Allen showed what he can do--and that is what you build on.

What would we build on?

His inability to throw the ball, unless its to the other team?  Being Jamis Winston without the TDs?  He is a suitable back up.  I am fine with him being in that situation.  He has not shown me qualities needed to be the future franchise QB of a team.

[Waldo]

9 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Funny, but Bridgewater in New Orleans won 5 games in a row this after some bad tape in Minnesota--now his is looking at a $20m+ contract somewhere.  He had a clean pocket and a solid defense. 

If you switched the two players, would Bridgewater be able to play like that here? 

Allen may not be that good, but he is not that bad either.  If he sucked in a situation where Tom Brady would have sucked, how can you write him off?

Allen showed what he can do--and that is what you build on.  He also showed us how he is when he has to pass every play behind a joke of an OL.  Not good enough to carry the team.  So what did we learn?  We need DL and OL.  Let Allen compete when the conditions are good--if he sucks, he sucks.  It is nobody's fault.  4 games is a quarter of a season and to be 4-0 and have a 108 rating is impressive. 

 

Bridgewater has physical talent, something allen lacks. Hey, he could find a good match and not lose some more games but that doesn't excite me. Dilfer won and he sucks, he also had a really good team around him. He was also, like Allen, not exciting. There is a reason Tannonhil and Bridgewater went in the first and not undrafted. Allen doesn't appear to be the exception. Both those guys can actually throw down field more than one time a year.

Don't know about here. We have a lot of unknows but maybe.

When he plays well, he is relevant. Now he isn't for that reason. He does a 180°, sure. Backups matter, i just hope to not see them play.

He showed he isnt a guy you build around, not yet, he is a guy that needs to be fighting for a spot.

 

[MHS831]

8 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

What would we build on?

His inability to throw the ball, unless its to the other team?

So because he threw picks as a young QB, he sucks? In bad conditions, young qbs suck.

I posted a while back a statistic that featured some young qbs on bad teams starting for the first time.

1. had 28 picks his first year.

2. Had a completion percentage of  47.5 and his picks doubled his TDs.

3.  Had 24 interceptions vs. 6 TDs and completed 38.1% of his passes. 

All had bad defenses, weak OLs.  All had fans screaming for their heads, telling everyone they sucked. 

All are in (or headed to) Canton. 

Manning, Elway, Bradshaw, and none had 4-game winning streaks.

So you could be wrong--these guys were all first rounders, so their teams stayed with them longer than an undrafted rookie.  Things have to be in place for a qb to succeed--especially a young qb getting his first starts. 

[TheRed]

Kyle Allen had a lower QBR than Mitch Trubisky, Sam Darnold, Case Keenum, Gardner Minshew, and an aging Joe Flacco.

If you're still going to bat over this you are beyond help.

[GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER]

On 10/13/2019 at 8:20 PM, MHS831 said:

Making $450K---he needs an extension now. 

He is earning it, and we need to lock him into a long-term deal.  You can front load it and guarantee less---extend him for 4 years.   The longer you wait, the more expensive he gets.

 

we waited until the end of the season. how expensive has he gotten?

[Call Me James]

Shameful. At no point has Kyle Allen ever been considered better than TB. 

[Khyber53]

So, could our resident geniuses explain how Kyle Allen won four games in a row with a team falling apart around him? How he just about came back and won a game versus Green Bay at Lambeau in the snow?

He's not the second coming of Tom Brady. What he is is a QB coming off of a rookie season on a bad team. Had he been a high draft pick and had won only half the games he did, we'd be talking about giving him time to learn and grow.

I say give him a decent back-up QB contract for two years and see what Rhule and company can get out of him. There's a good core in there and the kid plays to win. Fumbling can be corrected (and appears to have been for the most part) and smart QBs can learn to bring down the interception rate as the game slows down for them. 

And a bit of offensive line help would go a long way...

[Waldo]

Because it's a team game? Again, Dilfer won a SB so juat don't lose the game and ride the tallent. When he had to win the game with his arm and head, we lost.  He played ok when all he had to do was not lose. That's a backup

[TheRed]

The mental gymnastics needed to try to explain why Kyle Allen isn't actually as bad as his 31st QBR ranking amongst 32 quarterbacks to the point you are dragging Tom Brady into this with his 6 Super Bowl rings is so stupid it could only be fueled by extreme bias.