Cam has played 125 regular season games and has never won 5 straight without throwing a pick. Kyle did that in his first 5 games.

[ForJimmy]

2 hours ago, Nesbro1 said:

He sure did blow that layup vs Detroit for 2pts.

He blew 4 in a row to loose to Redskins. 

Cam doesn't do well from behind or when things don't go smoothly. 

He's a very good front runner tho.

https://www.espn.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/31017/overlooked-cam-newton-as-clutch-as-brady-rodgers-and-brees

Healthy Cam was very clutch (this is from a year ago). He had 17 4th quarter comebacks and was higher than Aaron Rodgers with less games played. Allen is playing great, but let’s not let that take away from how great Cam was for the Panthers when he was healthy...

[iamhubby1]

19 minutes ago, JARROD said:

he did well today but he didn’t win us the game. Jameis did that,...with a lot of help from our defense.

we were in the lead from the beginning because of our defense.

Kyle did some good things, made some good throws,... but he absolutely did not win the football game for us.

thats not being selective— I watched the game too. 

 

    With our running game at a stand still. There is no way we win that game today if Kyle doesn't play as well as he did. It is ok to give Kyle the credit he deserves. You will not burn in hellz. I promise.

[ecu88]

14 minutes ago, JARROD said:

Kyle right now is showing you can surround a subpar mediocre talent guy as long as he’s smart with the football and surround him with talent and a defense.

Money Ball

What in the actual pho'k.

He may not be all world talent but he was the #1 HS recruit that had an unfortunate luck in college coaches.

Betted on himself, went undrafted.

He has a strong arm, has great ball placement/timing with WOs and seems to not let pressure crumble him. To me, he has great potential.

 

[JARROD]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The vast majority of the most successful quarterbacks in the league are guys who primarily just distribute the football to their skill guys and let them do the work.

Guys like Brees, Brady and Rodgers rarely take the ball themselves. Neither do they need to throw a dozen 60 yard bombs to win.

(though granted, Rodgers at least is probably capable of that)

Cam does have the X factor quality though— when he’s healthy and he’s having fun. The “makes other players around him better” thing. 
 

kyle Allen’s talk about how much Cam has helped him while he’s rehabbing etc.

i don’t know about Brees,.. but Tom Brady’s guys, much like Favres really play for him.

its like getting an extra $ 1-2 million in play from every player, if quantified.

Cam was playing hurt and it showed in his lack of it too.

we can win with a mediocre guy, but other people have to have the X factor to take his place.  When I say mediocre I’m not talking about arm strength.

 

[Mr. Scot]

27 minutes ago, JARROD said:

he did well today but he didn’t win us the game. Jameis did that,...with a lot of help from our defense.

we were in the lead from the beginning because of our defense.

Kyle did some good things, made some good throws,... but he absolutely did not win the football game for us.

thats not being selective— I watched the game too. 

I mean, if you really wanna prop up this notion that the rest of the team is so amazing that they can win with even a subpar quarterback performance, you're leaving yourself open to a kind of a tough question.

Why did we start out 0-2?

(including a loss to that team we just beat today)

[weyco2000]

8 minutes ago, JawnyBlaze said:

4 passing TDs isn’t a one man show, we’ll have to agree to disagree there. It’s a great performance, but it takes someone on the other end of those passes to make them work. 
 

Do you think this team reacts differently to Allen than they do a healthy and energetic Cam?  I think not. Cam has always been the motivating energy of this team.  The team was down because they saw what was happening to Cam, and I 100% agree I don’t want Cam back on the field unless he is undeniably totally healthy.

Um, I'm thinking the winning outweighs the drama.

[JARROD]

29 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    With our running game at a stand still. There is no way we win that game today if Kyle doesn't play as well as he did. It is ok to give Kyle the credit he deserves. You will not burn in hellz. I promise.

But our quarterback was Jameis not Allen!

didnt you watch?

ha

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, JARROD said:

But our quarterback was Jameis not Allen!

didnt you watch?

ha

It's funny.

It's also weak.

The whole "we won because of everybody except Kyle Allen" thing is just ridiculous.

Allen did his job.

[JARROD]

30 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I mean, if you really wanna prop up this notion that the rest of the team is so amazing that they can win with even a subpar quarterback performance, you're leaving yourself open to a kind of a tough question.

Why did we start out 0-2?

(including a loss to that team we just beat today)

There’s a difference in what I said in Subpar performance and subpar player.

Cam played dismally and far below mediocre in those early games.

Allen played good— I haven’t said different. He’s efficient, doesn’t turn the ball over... like you said, being a good game manager is what a quarterback is supposed to do, right?

hes just not a guy that can play bigger than he is. If the team can’t make the plays he’s not going to save the day.

[JARROD]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's funny.

It's also weak.

The whole "we won because of everybody except Kyle Allen" thing is just ridiculous.

Allen did his job.

I didn’t say he didn’t play well. Find a place where I’ve said today that he was terrible and we won in spite of him.

thats not what I said at all. I’ve given him plenty of credit. He threw some really good passes that were dropped also.

I also agree that he did make enough good throws to help win the game— 99 yard drives are not by accident.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, JARROD said:

hes just not a guy that can play bigger than he is. If the team can’t make the plays he’s not going to save the day.

You mean like ducking JJ Watt to make a game sealing throw?

The vast majority of quarterbacks in the NFL get the ball to their playmakers on a weekly basis. It's what a quarterback does. Hell, Joe Montana won four Super Bowls doing tha.,

[JARROD]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

You mean like ducking JJ Watt to make a game sealing throw?

The vast majority of quarterbacks in the NFL get the ball to their playmakers on a weekly basis. It's what a quarterback does. Hell, Joe Montana won four Super Bowls doing tha.,

Hey, I want to believe in the guy— he’s made some Brees types of throws and some Favre types of juke throws— the one you mention in particular.

i haven’t said different.

he plays until he sucks— that’s what Brady said right? Cam needs to be better and who knows if he ever will.

when he’s healthy then there’s a discussion about that. For now Kyle Allen is the starting QB for the Panthers and we are winning.

Im not mad about that,..

[weyco2000]

28 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

https://www.espn.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/31017/overlooked-cam-newton-as-clutch-as-brady-rodgers-and-brees

Healthy Cam was very clutch (this is from a year ago). He had 17 4th quarter comebacks and was higher than Aaron Rodgers with less games played. Allen is playing great, but let’s not let that take away from how great Cam was for the Panthers when he 

Yeah the Eagles comeback was epic, but if you don't think Rodgers is a better QB ...take another shot

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, weyco2000 said:

Yeah the Eagles comeback was epic, but if you don't think Rodgers is a better QB ...take another shot

Someone stated Cam wasn’t good at playing from behind just saying the stats show otherwise when he was healthy. I was using Rodgers as a reference to show how clutch Cam was.