Cam has played 125 regular season games and has never won 5 straight without throwing a pick. Kyle did that in his first 5 games.

[ecu88]

1 minute ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

Cam will be looking *at least* for $20 million per year when his contract is up. Kyle Allen is making $495,000 this year. Even if you think Cam is better, is he over 40x more valuable after 2020 than Kyle Allen?

Excellent framing and a true cost benefit analysis perspective.

[SBiii]

32 minutes ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

Cam will be looking *at least* for $20 million per year when his contract is up. Kyle Allen is making $495,000 this year. Even if you think Cam is better, is he over 40x more valuable after 2020 than Kyle Allen?

No.

For the 2019 season cam is the 18th highest paid QB at $20.7 million...

...it is going to be really interesting to see what he does get paid in the 2021 season which would be his first year of his next contract (assuming there is a next contract).

[Mr. Scot]

3 hours ago, JawnyBlaze said:

Also I’m not trying to just play Cam-defense or knock Allen, but I doubt Cam ever had a stretch of three games with 6 or 7 fumbles either.  No picks is great for Allen, but no turnovers would actually be something worth mentioning. 

We still won those games, though. And yes, Allen was part of the reason why.

Can't leave that out of the equation.

 

59 minutes ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

Cam will be looking *at least* for $20 million per year when his contract is up. Kyle Allen is making $495,000 this year. Even if you think Cam is better, is he over 40x more valuable after 2020 than Kyle Allen?

I'd say 20 million is a very conservative estimate.

Hell, Goff got more than one and a half times that.

[weyco2000]

3 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Has cam ever gone 5 games without fumbling? 

You left out the key word...WINNING. 

[JARROD]

1 hour ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    There is having short memories, and then there is twisting the facts. Kyle absolutely won us the game today. With TB shutting down our running game. There is no way we win without Kyle's passing.

 

    I get it. You want to stick up for Cam. That is fine in and of itself. But you gotta do it right. Just the facts, and no twisting the truth. It is hard enough defending Cam, let alone when you kinda make things up.

he did well today but he didn’t win us the game. Jameis did that,...with a lot of help from our defense.

we were in the lead from the beginning because of our defense.

Kyle did some good things, made some good throws,... but he absolutely did not win the football game for us.

thats not being selective— I watched the game too. 

[stratocatter]

SF game will be a great test for the whole team, they looked great today. In their place, long trip, our normal lethargy coming off a bye, it is a tall order. We have a lot of young players too, it will be good for all of them.

If Allen gets his butt whipped he will have help, but Cam got his butt whipped against good teams early on too. Can't make one game a referendum on the player. But you might look hard at the next game and the next one after to see the response.

[JARROD]

1 hour ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

Cam will be looking *at least* for $20 million per year when his contract is up. Kyle Allen is making $495,000 this year. Even if you think Cam is better, is he over 40x more valuable after 2020 than Kyle Allen?

Now this warrants discussion— I’m a big Cam Newton fan, want him to stay with the Panthers for another 10 years or more.

the thing is when you look at teams that just paid through the nose for their quarterbacks— they aren’t exactly paying off.

the salary cap is a bitch. Atlanta has like 53% of their cap in 5 players— screwed.

Kyle right now is showing you can surround a subpar mediocre talent guy as long as he’s smart with the football and surround him with talent and a defense.

Money Ball

[JARROD]

3 minutes ago, stratocatter said:

SF game will be a great test for the whole team, they looked great today. In their place, long trip, our normal lethargy coming off a bye, it is a tall order. We have a lot of young players too, it will be good for all of them.

If Allen gets his butt whipped he will have help, but Cam got his butt whipped against good teams early on too. Can't make one game a referendum on the player. But you might look hard at the next game and the next one after to see the response.

It’s all on Cams health as well as how Kyle plays.

if Kyle blows it versus the 49ers, how many games do you blow before you pull the trigger on Cam being back?

4-3, 4-4, 4-5 and then we bring Cam for the Falcons?

hard choice

[weyco2000]

3 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

You really have to be some kind of stupid not to be able to think of a shorter thread title 

You're reaching 

[Ivan The Awesome]

3 hours ago, JawnyBlaze said:

Kyle has been great for what he is. But he also hasn’t been nearly as much a one man show as Cam’s had to be the majority of his career. Allen makes less mistakes for sure, but also fewer big plays.  My opinion remains the same as it was after his two poor games. Thrilled to have Allen as our backup, can’t wait for Cam to get healthy. 

Well, what i'm getting from this is that those big plays and one man shows are unnecessary. This team is winning without that. Also, don't sell Allen short, he does have a 4TD game and I'd consider that a one man show. 

 

The fact of the matter is that this team reacts differently to Allen, and it's undeniably positive. 

 

I don't want Cam back until He's 100% healthy. Before the Steelers game, I want that Cam back. If he's not back to that then honestly I don't want him back .

[JawnyBlaze]

1 hour ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

Cam will be looking *at least* for $20 million per year when his contract is up. Kyle Allen is making $495,000 this year. Even if you think Cam is better, is he over 40x more valuable after 2020 than Kyle Allen?

This is actually a legitimate question, unlike a lot of the drivel being spewed in the discussion about our QB situation. Depends on the situation. When the time comes, do we have plenty of cap space, Cam has proven to be healthy and looking like the first few games of 2018, and we’re on the cusp of a SB run?  Then yes, Cam is 40x more valuable. Are we in rebuilding mode, or would have to lose key players (no that’s not Shaq or Poe or even McCoy or Short) in order to keep Cam or there legitimate concerns about whether Cam can regain his old form?  Probably not. 

[JawnyBlaze]

2 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

Well, what i'm getting from this is that those big plays and one man shows are unnecessary. This team is winning without that. Also, don't sell Allen short, he does have a 4TD game and I'd consider that a one man show. 

 

The fact of the matter is that this team reacts differently to Allen, and it's undeniably positive. 

 

I don't want Cam back until He's 100% healthy. Before the Steelers game, I want that Cam back. If he's not back to that then honestly I don't want him back .

4 passing TDs isn’t a one man show, we’ll have to agree to disagree there. It’s a great performance, but it takes someone on the other end of those passes to make them work. 
 

Do you think this team reacts differently to Allen than they do a healthy and energetic Cam?  I think not. Cam has always been the motivating energy of this team.  The team was down because they saw what was happening to Cam, and I 100% agree I don’t want Cam back on the field unless he is undeniably totally healthy.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

Well, what i'm getting from this is that those big plays and one man shows are unnecessary. This team is winning without that. Also, don't sell Allen short, he does have a 4TD game and I'd consider that a one man show.

The vast majority of the most successful quarterbacks in the league are guys who primarily just distribute the football to their skill guys and let them do the work.

Guys like Brees, Brady and Rodgers rarely take the ball themselves. Neither do they need to throw a dozen 60 yard bombs to win.

(though granted, Rodgers at least is probably capable of that)

[stratocatter]

14 minutes ago, JARROD said:

It’s all on Cams health as well as how Kyle plays.

if Kyle blows it versus the 49ers, how many games do you blow before you pull the trigger on Cam being back?

4-3, 4-4, 4-5 and then we bring Cam for the Falcons?

hard choice

I just feel like if you sit him because of one bad game at a good team's stadium in his first real season, well it is just not the way to handle development of a young player. I risk going 5-2 with him, give him a chance to bounce back. edit: oops, 4-2