I don't think we can bench Kyle Allen...

[fortyrod]

38 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I can't really go with that either.

If you make the decision that he's your starter, you need to stick with him even if he does struggle.

Every quarterback is going to have struggles. If you're swapping starters anytime somebody has a rough game, you become Jon Gruden.

(or Steve Spurrier)

Valid point, and I hope he wins the rest of the games this season, but I wouldn't dedicate the rest of it to seeing if he can pull out of an extended slump. Defining "extended" is the fun part...

[t96]

14 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Dilfer couldn't. 373 yards would've literally been his career high. Go back and check my edit. Dilfer sucked.

Having an all-time great defense drag him to a ring and then having a lot of years pass has completely changed people's perception of him and his career.

Even still. Look at Brady’s stats vs. the Rams. There are many ways you can win even today.

[Pantherxtreme]

24 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

28-43 for 373 yards and 3 TDs vs. 1 INT

I don't think people remember just how pedestrian Dilfer was when they throw his name around. He never threw for over 3000 yards in a season. He only had 5 300+ yard games in his career. He only had 6 3+ TD games in his career. He threw more INTs than he did TDs in his career.

No, you cannot win a SB in today's NFL with that type of QB play.

Payton Manning won a Super Bowl with Denver that wasnt 20 years ago

[stratocatter]

 

8 minutes ago, t96 said:

Even still. Look at Brady’s stats vs. the Rams. There are many ways you can win even today.

Our team is good enough that we can go 10-6 easily with an average guy who just doesn't screw it up. Just does his job, executes the offense. That is with that bad OL too.

Have him start the whole season, we are minimum 5-1 now.

 

 

[philit99]

Let’s ask this question, when Foles returns will they bench Minchew???? I very seriously doubt it. He has the jags playing well.

[Mr. Scot]

28 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

All I know is that rarely if ever has one player accounted for as much of a percentage of his team's offense as Cam did at his best. I would LOVE to be able to see that version of Cam on the field with CMC. I just hope we actually can.

Is that an ideal situation, though?

To put it another way, could you make that same statement about Tom Brady or Drew Brees? I don't think so.

At the height of his effectiveness, Mike Shula was basically running the same kind of offensive scheme as the 2000 Falcons with Michael Vick. Very run heavy including the quarterback, passing as needed but the run was what really made everything go.

Norv Turner is never gonna run that style.

You have to factor that into the equation.

[Zeek]

Only the Texans held us under 30 with Allen at quarterback. I still think good Cam is better than good Allen but it wouldn’t make sense to bench the undefeated and accurate 23 year old. Especially with the OL finally looking like they have a serviceable formation.

We sorely need another solid receiver option for him though. I’m not sure how his deep ball is but we could use an AJ Green type (a little old though).

Cam’s too much of a competitor to agree with this sentiment but this is amazing for him. He needs to use this time to truly heal and focus on the little things that make big differences. He should be pouring over film right now and thinking/working with his mechanics. If he can keep his footwork consistent he can get the same force he used to without it being all arm.

I think you can’t pull Allen until he loses. 

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, Pantherxtreme said:

Payton Manning won a Super Bowl with Denver that wasnt 20 years ago

Everything goes out the window when the NFL completely ignores their own rules if the game to let a team beat the hell out of an opposing QB with blatantly illegal hits. I don't like tinfoil hat theories, but that game absolutely felt "engineered".

[Mr. Scot]

16 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

No, that leeway should only be given to the franchise QB. Kyle is trying to replace a $100m MVP. The seat is and should be hot. 

He was MVP four years ago.

You have to judge by what he is, not what he was.

[Zeek]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Everything goes out the window when the NFL completely ignores their own rules if the game to let a team beat the hell out of an opposing QB with blatantly illegal hits. I don't like tinfoil hat theories, but that game absolutely felt "engineered".

Yup, they were offsides every other play too. 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Is that an ideal situation, though?

To put it another way, could you make that same statement about Tom Brady or Drew Brees? I don't think so.

At the height of his effectiveness, Mike Shula was basically running the same kind of offensive scheme as the 2000 Falcons with Michael Vick. Very run heavy including the quarterback, passing as needed but the run was what really made everything go.

Norv Turner is never gonna run that style.

You have to factor that into the equation.

I'm never a fan of running your entire offense through one player, but I never think it's a bad thing to have a player capable of that being an option because there may come a time and place where you do have to do it. I just don't think that should be the week in and week out gameplan.

[LinvilleGorge]

18 minutes ago, t96 said:

Even still. Look at Brady’s stats vs. the Rams. There are many ways you can win even today.

Yep, that game turned into a defensive battle, but he'd thrown for nearly 350 yards in each of the previous playoff games with the Pats putting up 41 and 37 points in those games, including a shootout vs. Mahomes and the Chiefs. They don't get past the Chiefs with game manager style QB play.

[OneBadCat]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Everything goes out the window when the NFL completely ignores their own rules if the game to let a team beat the hell out of an opposing QB with blatantly illegal hits. I don't like tinfoil hat theories, but that game absolutely felt "engineered".

I've said for 4 years now that was a rigged game. It was the NFL punishing Cam Newton and getting Manning his send off superbowl in the same game.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm never a fan of running your entire offense through one player, but I never think it's a bad thing to have a player capable of that being an option because there may come a time and place where you do have to do it. I just don't think that should be the week in and week out gameplan.

How certain are you that he's up to doing that anymore, though?

And even if you do believe he can do it now, how much longer?

One of my guiding questions is always whether one of them do what the other cannot. In this case, that can be answered both ways. 

Ultimately though, I think you have to compare Newton and Allen within Norv Turner's system. And based on what we've seen the last few weeks, there's a pretty good argument to be made that this factors to Allen's advantage.