I don't think we can bench Kyle Allen...

[micnificent28]

34 minutes ago, bandu said:

the big question as unfortunate as it is for everyone involved & especially for Cam is the fact that he is more than likely one big hit away from making a bad situation worse 

How do we know he is one hit a way from anything? Hell allen is one big hit away from being in Cams shoes.. the foot and the shoulder two completely separate hits. Cam has taken monstrous bloody hits over the years.. have we seen all take one good shot? No. And your already convinced can stay healthy and the franchise? This is laughable.

[Wolfpack352]

21 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

How many games has kyle allen actually won! I mean the team is driving itself basically lol. We are getting 7 sacks a game with 2 pick per almost.. all Allen has to do is show up and collect I told you so's  from fans who only see the score board.  Who did he actually beat is my question.. the games he won himself.. I will give him the 4 touchdown game vs the cardinals maybe.. but the rest??

He kinda just let cmc do his thing and not rock the boat which is good. It's what a backup does.. he is NOT the future of this team. Dont be fooled by shallow numbers..

Bwahahahaha....Ok sure.

[CPcavedweller]

On 10/13/2019 at 1:49 PM, mc52beast said:

Panthers need to see what they have in a healthy Cam. Going into the last year of his contract, if he doesn’t show he can still be a top qb he might be playing somewhere else.

We are 4-2, not 0-6. We don't need to see what we "have" in anyone. You play to win. Allen is winning. Play Allen. 

[MichaelNewtonII]

On 10/14/2019 at 10:06 PM, GoPanthers123 said:

He will have a challenge against the SF pass D for sure.  A learning experience for a rookie.  I wouldn’t rush to estimate what Allen will be, it is uncertain at this stage.   

I think the big question is a 100% mvp season Cam still possible?  

I told you he was getting exposed

[MichaelNewtonII]

On 10/14/2019 at 10:02 PM, Mr. Scot said:

You have absolutely no idea how good he could be with practice and experience.

Also, the idea that if he has a bad game against the 49ers, he's "exposed", shows a complete lack of football knowledge. Loads of young players starting out have bad games. It's actually par for the course.

If you give up on a player over one bad game, you're an idiot.

But if you want to be dumb and stick with that premise, keep in mind that Cam could also start against the 49ers, play poorly, lose the game and be "exposed" in the eyes of the fans.

Except that'd be just as silly, though for different reasons.

He got exposed I called it and everyone sees he got exposed if you don’t think he was exposed you’re delusional

[MichaelNewtonII]

On 10/14/2019 at 9:50 PM, MichaelNewtonII said:

I think kyle Allen is going to get exposed against the 9ers next week then we’ll see what everyone is saying about this situation. A 100% healthy cam would have decimated the Bucs in this game. Anyone who thinks kyle Allen is better than 100% cam is a prisoner of the moment and honestly delusional. Allen will never be an mvp caliber player

The prophecy has been fulfilled

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, MichaelNewtonII said:

He got exposed I called it and everyone sees he got exposed if you don’t think he was exposed you’re delusional

I'd say you actually just proved my point.

I feel fairly certain you could write down everything you know about football on a Post-It note, and still have room for a grocery list.

[MichaelNewtonII]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

I'd say you actually just proved my point.

I feel fairly certain you could write down everything you know about football on a Post-It note, and still have room for a grocery list.

You’re salty what you said was wrong I must know more than you, you thought kyle Allen was good lmfao and thought he wasn’t going to be exposed anyone with half a brain could see the 49ers defense was going to show kyle Allen for what he really is.. backup talent or maybe starting talent for the XFL

[ellis]

It’s time for us all to call back our old posts and take victory laps. 

And for the record, I never took a victory lap on Kyle Allen. I pointed out he could win games in the league when everybody else was busy crying like bitches after week two. 

Tried to give the fan base a little bit of hope, and it turned out the kid could play a little bit.

But we saw his ceiling. We could see this coming. For anybody to be doing a victory lap after a 51-13 loss is sad. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, MichaelNewtonII said:

You’re salty what you said was wrong I must know more than you, you thought kyle Allen was good lmfao and thought he wasn’t going to be exposed anyone with half a brain could see the 49ers defense was going to show kyle Allen for what he really is.. backup talent or maybe starting talent for the XFL

I'm pretty sure you didn't understand anything you just read out of my post, kid 

And I remember you from your last stint here. You didn't have particularly bright takes then either.

[MichaelNewtonII]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm pretty sure you didn't understand anything you just read out of my post, kid 

And I remember you from your last stint here. You didn't have particularly bright takes then either.

My take was spot on you were completely wrong you’re delusional old man..

mn2 1 mr scot 0

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, ellis said:

It’s time for us all to call back our old posts and take victory laps. 

And for the record, I never took a victory lap on Kyle Allen. I pointed out he could win games in the league when everybody else was busy crying like bitches after week two. 

Tried to give the fan base a little bit of hope, and it turned out the kid could play a little bit.

But we saw his ceiling. We could see this coming. For anybody to be doing a victory lap after a 51-13 loss is sad. 

See, I still can't buy that.

Like I said elsewhere, I've seen plenty of quarterbacks have bad games early in their careers. Look back at the early years of any of the best in the NFL right now and you'll find examples.

Those games didn't define them. And any analyst using those games to conclude "well, I guess they're just not very good" would have been overreacting.

Making too much out of a single game is just about always a mistake, especially when you're talking about a young player.

[ellis]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

See, I still can't buy that.

Like I said elsewhere, I've seen plenty of quarterbacks have bad games early in their careers. Look back at the early years of any of the best in the NFL right now and you'll find examples. Those games didn't define them.

Making too much out of a single game is just about always a mistake, especially when you're talking about a young player.

Oh I’m not saying at all he should be judged on one game. But the totality of his season gave me very little reason to believe he could carry this team to a win if they got down early. He’s done some great things, and has come back from some tough circumstances on several occasions. I like how he bounces back from things, like some of the fumbles he had, typically responding with scoring drives. 

Today was a litmus test. He didn’t pass it, but neither did the team. It’s certainly not his fault the defense took a giant dump over the first 20 minutes. We previewed this game all week, and we told everybody if this turned into a pursuit from behind game, it would be ugly. You can’t let San Francisco get up on you that much that early. I don’t care who the quarterback is, but especially with inexperience at the position. 

And this is not necessarily the end. There’s no new definitive timetable on cams return. Nor should the team feel any need to speed up the process. It’s definitely time to start looking in that direction, but by no means do they need to rush anybody back. So, fans need to get their mind right and support this quarterback for another week at least.

[ellis]

16 minutes ago, MichaelNewtonII said:

I told you he was getting exposed

Are you happy he was exposed? Does that give you joy? Do you feel redeemed? I’m not even trying to pick a fight with you, because I don’t do that here. Just trying to understand the mindset. Are you more mad at Kyle Allen, or certain people in the media who have pushed a narrative, or just other dumb ass fans?

I think Allen is the least deserving of animus of the aforementioned parties. What has he done wrong, other than come in a tough situation and negotiate four wins?

I know, he didn’t win all four of those games by himself. I get that. I get all of that. He deserves just the right amount of credit that he earned, but he certainly doesn’t deserve the turd sandwich he’s been fed.