I don't think we can bench Kyle Allen...

[JARROD]

2 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

There are always outliners.. but as far as consistency goes Mahomes is more likely to not throw a int than he is since he only has one. Same for brady.. this short sighted thinking is part of why people seem to think "hey allen is winning with the same team cam had he must be better right".

After 1.5 seasons and Andy Reid? 
it’s also short sighted to compare a 1.5 year player to one that’s played 9 seasons.

Patrick might not make it to number 3– who knows right?

Brady,.. sure,.. as Scot said— best game manager in the business. He also does do the occasional Superman XFactor stuff that really pumps his team up— catching passes, QB sneaks, etc— and he can put on one hell of a come back.

not so much just a “game manager”

Cam has put together some serious comeback wins, taken over games. And he’s also had to go through a lot more adversity than most. 
 

Kyle has been a good game manager,.. this last game being his best.  he’s made some nice highlights and maybe flashed a little X to his game. He’s not that guy yet though. Maybe he will be and maybe he won’t be. 

Now when he puts together a 99 yard drive in the final minute of a game to win,.. runs the quarterback sneak,.. makes a block for his running back, goes out for a Phily special and catches the ball,... or something like that,.. then he will have arrived.

[WoahW]

4 hours ago, bandu said:

Kyle Allens ability to protect the football by not throwing interceptions or fumbling the ball is the blueprint for reaching the Superbowl...not athletic talent

now this is what you call 100%

Except he’s fumbled a poo ton? Like he’s played well but let’s not pretend like he hasn’t fumbled before Christ this forum is becoming cancer

[RumHam]

On 10/13/2019 at 1:49 PM, mc52beast said:

Panthers need to see what they have in a healthy Cam. Going into the last year of his contract, if he doesn’t show he can still be a top qb he might be playing somewhere else.

I think you do this in December after we wrap it up. Not now. Or you do it now on an extremely short leash.

[Silent Majority]

11 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, Emmitt Smith, Brett Favre and numerous other examples all "meant something" to their franchises, yet they all finished their careers with somebody else, and all for the same reason. Their teams believed it was time to hand the reins to someone else.

It sucks to see, but it happens...a lot.

In this case, as I eluded to previously, it has less to do with the end of an era and more to do with the wanton need to rush Cam out of the door. Never seen a fan base characterize people who are FANS of the starting QB of the team, as if they are somehow mutually exclusive, as nut huggers/only here because if Cam. It's lazy, it's loaded and it's agenda driven.

[bandu]

1 hour ago, WoahW said:

Except he’s fumbled a poo ton? Like he’s played well but let’s not pretend like he hasn’t fumbled before Christ this forum is becoming cancer

i never said that he didn't fumble the ball?

I only stated what he wpuld need to do in order to reach the SB or let's say anybody for that matter

settle down kid & enjoy the ride.

[Malt Liquor]

On 10/13/2019 at 2:04 PM, 45catfan said:

Fug it, I'm laying it out there....can the Panthers win the SB with Allen behind center?   Go..........................

Absolutely.....

[Mr. Scot]

30 minutes ago, Silent Majority said:

In this case, as I eluded to previously, it has less to do with the end of an era and more to do with the wanton need to rush Cam out of the door. Never seen a fan base characterize people who are FANS of the starting QB of the team, as if they are somehow mutually exclusive, as nut huggers/only here because if Cam. It's lazy, it's loaded and it's agenda driven.

It's also incorrect.

Granted I can't speak for everybody, but from what I've seen, nobody (except a few people who are trolling) is seriously trying to "rush Newton out the door".

They are, however, accepting the fact that he may wind up being out the door.

It's one thing to say you don't want it to happen. It's another to suggest that it can't. The first is perfectly valid. The second is wrong.

If Newton doesn't get the kind of ending that we'd hoped for, that will suck. It will also be perfectly in keeping with NFL tradition, because hardly anybody gets a Hollywood ending.

 

[Mr. Scot]

On 10/13/2019 at 2:04 PM, 45catfan said:

Fug it, I'm laying it out there....can the Panthers win the SB with Allen behind center?

I actually already answered this once, but since somebody brought it back up I'll answer it again with a similar but slightly different take.

The primary answer is the same: I have no idea.

But what I'd add is that, if we're all being completely honest, neither does anybody else.

For those who say they do, I'll quote Jim Mora Sr.

"You think you know but you don't know."

[MichaelNewtonII]

17 hours ago, SmartyHurney said:

I didn't use to think this fanbase was that biased against Cam, but seeing how much a game manager is getting praised has changed my mind.

Kyle Allen played one of the worst pass defenses today, and threw a little over 60% and just over 220 yards right, two touchdowns? Tampa Bay turned the ball over 7 times, with 4 times in their own territory. Kyle didn't make any special throws, though that's understandable as the receivers were wide open a lot of time with Tampa Bay having one of the worst pass defense (was the worst, did the Falcons take that spot now?) in the NFL, giving up until today around 300 yards a game. Kyle missed a lot of throws, threw into double coverage, and again was staring down his first read. He also bailed on the pocket early a few times as well.

I don't know. He just looks like a typical game manager getting carried to me. Usually a good quarterback is going to blowout a team that turns the ball over 7 times. Maybe I'm crazy right.

I think kyle Allen is going to get exposed against the 9ers next week then we’ll see what everyone is saying about this situation. A 100% healthy cam would have decimated the Bucs in this game. Anyone who thinks kyle Allen is better than 100% cam is a prisoner of the moment and honestly delusional. Allen will never be an mvp caliber player

[MichaelNewtonII]

46 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I actually already answered this once, but since somebody brought it back up I'll answer it again with a similar but slightly different take.

The primary answer is the same: I have no idea.

But what I'd add is that, if we're all being completely honest, neither does anybody else.

For those who say they do, I'll quote Jim Mora Sr.

"You think you know but you don't know."

there’s not a chance in hell kyle Allen beats Tom Brady or Patrick mahomes in a super bowl

[ncfan]

 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, MichaelNewtonII said:

there’s not a chance in hell kyle Allen beats Tom Brady or Patrick mahomes in a super bowl

You have absolutely no idea how good he could be with practice and experience.

Also, the idea that if he has a bad game against the 49ers, he's "exposed", shows a complete lack of football knowledge. Loads of young players starting out have bad games. It's actually par for the course.

If you give up on a player over one bad game, you're an idiot.

But if you want to be dumb and stick with that premise, keep in mind that Cam could also start against the 49ers, play poorly, lose the game and be "exposed" in the eyes of the fans.

Except that'd be just as silly, though for different reasons.

[GoPanthers123]

10 minutes ago, MichaelNewtonII said:

I think kyle Allen is going to get exposed against the 9ers next week then we’ll see what everyone is saying about this situation. A 100% healthy cam would have decimated the Bucs in this game. Anyone who thinks kyle Allen is better than 100% cam is a prisoner of the moment and honestly delusional. Allen will never be an mvp caliber player

He will have a challenge against the SF pass D for sure.  A learning experience for a rookie.  I wouldn’t rush to estimate what Allen will be, it is uncertain at this stage.   

I think the big question is a 100% mvp season Cam still possible?  

[bandu]

23 minutes ago, GoPanthers123 said:

He will have a challenge against the SF pass D for sure.  A learning experience for a rookie.  I wouldn’t rush to estimate what Allen will be, it is uncertain at this stage.   

I think the big question is a 100% mvp season Cam still possible?  

the big question as unfortunate as it is for everyone involved & especially for Cam is the fact that he is more than likely one big hit away from making a bad situation worse