If Christian McCaffrey Is The NFL’s MVP, Why Aren’t The Panthers Better?

[PantherGuy]

3 hours ago, KillaCamNewton said:

this...the guy writing the article is a moron. we are 3-2 because we had 2 stupid fumbles against the Rams and because Cam was playing on 1 foot against the Bucs. at no point have we played a game so far where we were simply outclassed or outtalented 

The author genuinely may not know football very well. Five Thirty Eight is a site specializing in statistics, not sports.

[cookinbrak]

So, the year Cam won MVP, we actually won, just not the SB?

[thefuzz]

57 minutes ago, t96 said:

I don’t disagree about the awards for the most part. Surrounding players and coaches all play a huge part in an individual player’s success. Does Matt Ryan ever win an MVP without Julio and Shanahan and an elite OL? Does Ron ever win a coach of the year without Cam? I don’t know but the awards don’t really mean a ton. Brees, as much as I hate him as a rival, not winning an MVP is kinda ridiculous.

I'm in the minority when it comes to tossing out Pro Bowls, All Pros, Wins, and Rings when breaking down how good or not a play really is....especially at QB.  I get that's what the national media focuses on, but it's pretty stupid honestly.

[Happy Panther]

Speaking of EPA....538 has Carolina and Tampa as #6 and #7 in average defensive EPA...

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-patriots-defense-is-good-that-doesnt-mean-its-going-to-stay-good/

[The Huddler]

were about to go on a 4 game win streak, so that narrative might not last much longer

[Go DJ that's my DJ]

He's in the convo right now. If they convert that 4th and 1 and we beat Tampa then I think CMC would be leading the pack.

[t96]

3 hours ago, thefuzz said:

I'm in the minority when it comes to tossing out Pro Bowls, All Pros, Wins, and Rings when breaking down how good or not a play really is....especially at QB.  I get that's what the national media focuses on, but it's pretty stupid honestly.

I think All Pros are a legitimate metric but agree on the others. All Pro unlike MVP or DPOY puts players at the same position up against each other where you can definitely make a comparison. There’s no way at all to compare a RB like McC to a QB like Mahomes and say one should deserve MVP/OPOY over the other. It’s silly.

Pro Bowls could be legit like All Pro except for the fan voting which makes it pointless.

With 53 guys on a team, no single player can impact the game so much that they get credit for wins or rings. It’s just completely stupid. Brady is a great QB in Belichick’s system, but I’ve honestly never been afraid to play him like I have with guys like Rodgers, Brees, Manning, hell even Russell Wilson. I don’t take anyone seriously when their argument for why Brady is the best QB is rings. Rodgers and Manning and Brees among others are all better, and make insane plays on the regular that Brady could never make. And I’ve watched them all play a lot. 

[Oldmanrivera]

8 hours ago, KillaCamNewton said:

this...the guy writing the article is a moron. we are 3-2 because we had 2 stupid fumbles against the Rams and because Cam was playing on 1 foot against the Bucs. at no point have we played a game so far where we were simply outclassed or outtalented 

This. This so fuging hard.

[TheSpecialJuan]

This is outlandish 

[332nd]

Because the o-line sucks at pass blocking.

[GoPanthers123]

We beat the Texans away, and they are a good team.  One player has less impact than in basketball anyway since they only have 5 in play.

[Bartin]

10 hours ago, JARROD said:

Well usually, not always, when a running back is on track for 2000 yards the team sucks overall.

its just true.

how many teams have won a Super Bowl in the same year someone broke a record for the most rushing yards?

Denver didn’t the year Terrell Davis did.  
Barry Sanders never, Eric Dickerson, Chris Johnson,.. keep going.

pretty much never happens.

 

 

I’d have to double check but I’m 99% sure that no QB that led the league in passing yards has ever won a Super Bowl. Like literally 0-53.

[ecu88]

1 hour ago, 332nd said:

Because the o-line sucks at pass blocking.

And Cam was never 100%.

 

If Cam was 100%, I firmly believe we would be 5-0 and KA would still be on the bench. 

[iamhubby1]

11 hours ago, Happy Panther said:

At anytime you have expected points (EP). If you have first and 10 from the opponents 20 you might have an EP of 3.5 for the drive - you expect to end up with 3.5 points on average. If you run the ball 8 yards for 2nd and 2 from the twelve your EP is probably going up to say 4.0. That play gave you and expected points added of .5.

You can then say what is the expected points added for all our running plays, or passing plays or whatever you want. EPA on third down, EPA in the 4th quarter, EPA when Cam rolls right.

They article is saying that CMC's EPA on running plays is negative somehow.

 

    A for effort. But that was of no help to me. lol