A little perspective on Allen

[1of10Charnatives]

1 minute ago, JARROD said:

The fastest way to make a developmental guy bust is to make him play sooner than he’s ready.

Aaron Rodgers was a first round pick and was still shaky his first season playing after sitting 3 seasons,..

True, although I do think that the proliferation of 7on 7 drills and high school coaches nationwide increasingly willing to throw the ball regularly at that level combined with all out pass wackiness at the college level means more and more about prospects arrive in the NFL ready to play day one even compared to Rogers early years.

I think that’s why we’re seeing more guys able to succeed faster than we used to, because they re showing up more prepared to play, more accustomed to throwing it as often as running, and more familiar with pro style passing concepts and how to read defenses.

 

[raz]

to me cam looks like an idiot in that video, about 25 yrs out of date and trying to rebrand himself in a failing manner.  he's getting made fun of all over the place.    the actual issue is that he lied to his coaches, trainers, and teammates.  he cost us 2 games. ( rivera is also responsible for not pulling the plug).  the bigger issue is he back stabbed a coach who has been covering for him by disclosing his lies to the public in hopes for sympathy points on youtube.    i don't really care that he's like AB lite, except for the lying and disclosing those lies to the public.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

ah yes the old "you called me stupid in response to my post calling you stupid therefore you lose"

you're pathetic lol but most importantly you are wrong and you know it. ive seen enough of your posts to know that you will never ever bail on an argument that you feel like you're winning. you love a good victory lap. you've been trying to remove yourself from this thread for a few posts now. hmmm

but while you're here feel free to explain why you labeled analysis of allen's performance a "hit piece" when you repeatedly, for years, pushed back against claims that nolan nawrocki wrote a hit piece.

Nah.

I just know that when you recognize you're losing or have nothing else to say, this is what you fall back on.

It's also fun because it reminds me that I'm just a guy here having fun talking football while you're playing Don Quixote 

Bottom Line: If we win a Super Bowl with Cam, Newton, Kyle Allen, Will Grier or Dontari Poe at quarterback, I'll still be happy, whereas you'll only be happy if it's with who you want.

That's pretty pathetic.

[JARROD]

5 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

True, although I do think that the proliferation of 7on 7 drills and high school coaches nationwide increasingly willing to throw the ball regularly at that level combined with all out pass wackiness at the college level means more and more about prospects arrive in the NFL ready to play day one even compared to Rogers early years.

I think that’s why we’re seeing more guys able to succeed faster than we used to, because they re showing up more prepared to play, more accustomed to throwing it as often as running, and more familiar with pro style passing concepts and how to read defenses.

 

It’s still too fast for most of them. The Blake Bortles and RGs and others were ruined by playing them too fast.

theres too many Millennial thinking now where everything has to be now, no work to earn anything or develop the right way.

and it shows.

[CRA]

9 minutes ago, raz said:

to me cam looks like an idiot in that video, about 25 yrs out of date and trying to rebrand himself in a failing manner.  he's getting made fun of all over the place.    the actual issue is that he lied to his coaches, trainers, and teammates.  he cost us 2 games. ( rivera is also responsible for not pulling the plug).  the bigger issue is he back stabbed a coach who has been covering for him by disclosing his lies to the public in hopes for sympathy points on youtube.    i don't really care that he's like AB lite, except for the lying and disclosing those lies to the public.

if I am going to try to make a WR comparison I ain't going AB.  I'd go back a few years and go w/ like a Chad Johnson type.  Chad had the attention issues but not the  bad AB type.  Plus his teammates liked him and he was just a fun dude.

 

[raz]

5 minutes ago, JARROD said:

It’s still too fast for most of them. The Blake Bortles and RGs and others were ruined by playing them too fast.

theres too many Millennial thinking now where everything has to be now, no work to earn anything or develop the right way.

and it shows.

aaron sat behind brett favre.  this isn't millenial thinking.  when teams have crappy qb's they play the rookie they just drafted high.

[raz]

Just now, CRA said:

if I am going to try to make a WR comparison I ain't going AB.  I'd go back a few years and go w/ like a Chad Johnson type.  Chad had the attention issues but not the type bad AB type.  Plus his teammates liked him and he was just a fun dude.

 

i'll go with that as better too.  i was thinking AB with the attention needing but when i posted it realized there are more inferences to AB now that i in no way meant

[JARROD]

2 minutes ago, raz said:

aaron sat behind brett favre.  this isn't millenial thinking.  when teams have crappy qb's they play the rookie they just drafted high.

For 3 seasons.

reinforces my point.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, raz said:

i'll go with that as better too.  i was thinking AB with the attention needing but when i posted it realized there are more inferences to AB now that i in no way meant

I'd agree.

[raz]

Just now, JARROD said:

For 3 seasons.

reinforces my point.

no, no it doesn't.   special circumstances in GB with favre.  

[JARROD]

3 minutes ago, raz said:

no, no it doesn't.   special circumstances in GB with favre.  

Well I guess we will never know right? Maybe Aaron starts his first season and ends up Blake Bortles instead of Aaron Rodgers,..

[1of10Charnatives]

9 minutes ago, JARROD said:

For 3 seasons.

reinforces my point.

Sure and I’m inclined to prefer the way the Packers did it, but if we’re being fair 2 years before Rogers was drafted, the Bengals took Carson Palmer, sat him for only a year, and that worked out fine. So I think a strong argument can be made that it depends pretty heavily on the player and the situation, but teams should proceed with caution.

There’s also one other major factor to consider,and that’s how the current CBA makes a high performing franchise qb still on his rookie deal the most valuable kind of asset in the NFL.

[JARROD]

1 minute ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Sure and I’m inclined to prefer the way the Packers did it, but if we’re being fair 2 years before Rogers was drafted, the Bengals took Carson Palmer, sat him for only a year, and that worked out fine. So I think a strong argument can be made that it depends pretty heavily on the player and the situation, but teams should proceed with caution.

There’s also one other major factor to consider,and that’s how the current CBA makes a high performing franchise qb still on his rookie deal the most valuable kind of asset in the NFL.

Sat for a year.

most demand that a guy start the first day or he’s a bust.

doesnt have to be for 3 years.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Sure and I’m inclined to prefer the way the Packers did it, but if we’re being fair 2 years before Rogers was drafted, the Bengals took Carson Palmer, sat him for only a year, and that worked out fine. So I think a strong argument can be made that it depends pretty heavily on the player and the situation, but teams should proceed with caution.

There’s also one other major factor to consider,and that’s how the current CBA makes a high performing franchise qb still on his rookie deal the most valuable kind of asset in the NFL.

Me too, but that doesn't happen often these days.