A little perspective on Allen

[joeyxfresco]

14 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

I don't recall KA bashing Cam.

For that matter, I don't recall Cam bashing KA.

Maybe posters should direct their hate at other posters and not at Panthers players trying their best to win some games?

I’m talking about the fans unnecessarily bashing Cam because of KA

[Mvp2014]

1 hour ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

This.

Allen’s play means we don’t know what Grier may or may not become, and if you’re going to point to the preseason as any indicator, remember that’s the same preseason in which Allen looked like nothing special and certainly not someone we’d expect to go 3-0 if Cam was out.

Not just allen.  Pretty sure Minshew looked like ass too.  

[1of10Charnatives]

1 minute ago, Mvp2014 said:

Not just allen.  Pretty sure Minshew looked like ass too.  

Sure, but if you followed the Jaguars preseason, then brother you are a far more dedicated football fan than me.

[Seltzer]

One more thing about Will Grier (i.e. him being a 3rd round pick- although at the bottom of the round).

For shiggles, imagine had we drafted Dennis Daley with our 3rd round pick and Grier with the 6th.  

Daley stepped in as our 3rd LT tackle and played well above his draft status.  In fact, his college coaches thought he was a 3rd round pick via an article from The Athletic:

“If you can play in the SEC, it’s the closest thing to playing in the NFL. Shoot, the guy he played against the other night, Josh Allen, is the same guy he played against at Kentucky,” Wolford said. “At the end of the day, Dennis should have been drafted in the third round. Everybody’s finding that out now.”

A poor combine performance by Daley (20 reps in the pro bench and sub-par numbers in the broad and vertical jumps) did not help his draft stock. Projected by some analysts to go in the fifth round, the Panthers grabbed him in the sixth.

Wolford, the former Youngstown State head coach, said it was a bargain.

“He’s a third-round talent. He can play 10, 12 years. He can play any position,” Wolford said. “The Panthers got a steal.”

Ultimately, I think this will prove to be another good draft class by Hurney.  You can nitpick any one draft pick in a vacuum, but if you're going to claim Hurney could have gotten a pick more ready to contribute at 100 (Grier pick), you got to concede that Miller in the 4th and Daley in the 6th look like steals.

[1of10Charnatives]

3 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

One more thing about Will Grier (i.e. him being a 3rd round pick- although at the bottom of the round).

For shiggles, imagine had we drafted Dennis Daley with our 3rd round pick and Grier with the 6th.  

Daley stepped in as our 3rd LT tackle and played well above his draft status.  In fact, his college coaches thought he was a 3rd round pick via an article from The Athletic:

“If you can play in the SEC, it’s the closest thing to playing in the NFL. Shoot, the guy he played against the other night, Josh Allen, is the same guy he played against at Kentucky,” Wolford said. “At the end of the day, Dennis should have been drafted in the third round. Everybody’s finding that out now.”

A poor combine performance by Daley (20 reps in the pro bench and sub-par numbers in the broad and vertical jumps) did not help his draft stock. Projected by some analysts to go in the fifth round, the Panthers grabbed him in the sixth.

Wolford, the former Youngstown State head coach, said it was a bargain.

“He’s a third-round talent. He can play 10, 12 years. He can play any position,” Wolford said. “The Panthers got a steal.”

Ultimately, I think this will prove to be another good draft class by Hurney.  You can nitpick any one draft pick in a vacuum, but if you're going to claim Hurney could have gotten a pick more ready to contribute at 100 (Grier pick), you got to concede that Miller in the 4th and Daley in the 6th look like steals.

My all time fave comment about combine performances was when Ozzie Newsome was asked immediately after drafting Terrell Suggs in the 1st round if he had any hesitations about the pick given Suggs poor 40 yard dash time at the combine. This was after a season in which Suggs had just set the NCAA record for sacks in a season.

”Well if we needed him to run 40 yards to get to the qb, I might have, but since he doesn’t, I’m not worried about his 40 times no.”

[Varking]

2 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Look all I’m saying is, no one’s ever seen Minshew and Uncle Rico together at the same time, right? You think that’s a coincidence?

 

 

[1of10Charnatives]

Just now, Varking said:

 

 

But, but, but, but, but.......mah theory!

Must be body doubles with reconstructive surgery using facial recognition technology.

[Varking]

1 minute ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

But, but, but, but, but.......mah theory!

Must be body doubles with reconstructive surgery using facial recognition technology.

Was going to say I think Jean Claude has played brothers in a movie that had to fight with/against each other so we have the technology to do this. That could be CGI Rico for all we know. 

[pantherclaw]

The QB depth chart doesn't get attention from most fans, most years. 

 

Kyle Allen is doing enough to help the Panthers win every week. That is great, and all us fans could ever ask for. 

That's not being dismissive of anything. 

Grier isn't a bust, despite many claiming he is. 

All of this is true, and has nothing to do with Cam. 

 

[Bartin]

1 hour ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Sure, but if you followed the Jaguars preseason, then brother you are a far more dedicated football fan than me.

Minshew was so bad in preseason that Marrone said he needs to change the entire way he evaluates preseason performance a week or two ago.

[Mvp2014]

2 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Sure, but if you followed the Jaguars preseason, then brother you are a far more dedicated football fan than me.

He was so bad they were talking about it building up to the game.  I honestly don't even care about panthers preseason.  Its as bad as baseball

[Basbear]

One of my bros(for whatever reason) hates Will Grier, but talks up Allen.  So I told him- "The same group of people that found and prepared Allen, badly wanted and drafted Grier."

 

[PantherPhann89]

4 hours ago, Go DJ that's my DJ said:

But In reality we wasted our 3rd round pick on a Bust QB so...

I don't think that the 100th QB pick in the draft is expected to be able to step in for your starting QB at week 3 of regularseason, let alone lead the team to 3 straight wins, with no interceptions. So I disagree with calling him a bust at this point. Granted, I thought he'd play a lot better than I've seen,  but to early for the bust label. 

Let's not forget that Allen is not a rookie. Here has far more NFL experience than a 100th rookie QB. Give him time and let's ride with Allen...for now!

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

ill be honest i forgot will grier existed