Kyle Allens film study (it's not good)

[Icege]

2 hours ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

this is way better analysis that any of the "GET RID OF THE BALL CAYUM" takes we've seen over the years. people who have made a habit of letting those takes be are going to take issue with this thread for some reason

What about those "CMC is being force fed and the reason that we are losing" takes we've seen?

[Cpt slay a ho]

Would expect some of this from a undrafted qb, I’ll be more concern if this isn’t clean up if he has to start over a longer period of time.

im not a fan of the analysis, seems like the exact thing most do to cam. 

[weyco2000]

2 hours ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

lol link that poo

"if" lol it already happened. turns out we don't get to play the cardinals every week.

Lol if it is winning, it is what it is... That's the bottom line. 

[weyco2000]

1 hour ago, cookinbrak said:

What about QB losses?

I swear the whole idea of winning as a team, has lost its concept here. It's like posters need a reason to b1tch. 

[Saca312]

3 hours ago, lightsout said:

Fifth clip, I'm assuming by "blind" he means the open Samuel (I think it is anyway) in the middle. Well, sure, if you look at it from the end of the play. Let's look at the reality of what happened. From our standpoint, Samuel is absolutely rubbing on the defender there. Why would he do that? SEEMS like it's a designed to go to CMC. Couple that with a blitzing LB coming through the passing lane to Samuel and the fact that the safety was clearly keying on CMC pre-snap and immediately goes for him, this feels like a play that was diagnosed throughout the week and recognized pre-snap. OR, at minimum, it's man coverage and they disguised that fact and the safety is going to his man screaming. One or the other. Either way, it's either Allen taking a safe throw with pressure bearing down or a designed play that didn't work.



 

The defender on Samuel guns for CMC pre-snap. Should've been a pre-snap read that Curtis would've been wide open in the middle as the defender would vacate the area. That's what Panthersfilm was alluding to in that.

Allen however was working for a safe throw as you said, so his first read was immediately to checkdown to CMC. Which he has done a ton, leaving some big plays on the field.

I mean it could've been worse. Fwiw, Allen's been quite safe with his reads and not being risky. That can be good or bad depending on context. It's kept him safe from throwing bad ducks at least.

He's a backup UDFA anyhow. He's fine for his role, and I'd rather him be safe than take too many risks.

[Saca312]

4 hours ago, Peppers90 NC said:

He actually identifies defenses so unless Saca has some help or copy and pasted that info, not likely. Maybe he stepped his game up half a notch.

Lol.

I just don't try and post my thoughts here anymore. Hence why I post others who've done the work.

Not worth the effort in this haven of trolls.

[YoungPanthers89]

F-150 with the hitch nutz Huddle poo'd this post

[raz]

its absolutely hilarious that in the 2 games cam lost his take on the film is cam is amazing, when cam was flat out awful.  and now in wins kyle's is terrible.   this dude is absolute shite with an agenda.  he's the fox news of film study

[raz]

6 minutes ago, bull123 said:

He hates the guy that is winning and makes up stuff about him based on his personal bias

i say he is the cnn of film study!

in the study that was done on falsehoods fox won with 70%. they got sued for it but got out of it by legally classifying it as entertainment.   but yeah, cnn sucks too.  i can't stomach either.

[TheSpecialJuan]

This was dumb

[lightsout]

10 minutes ago, weyco2000 said:

I swear the whole idea of winning as a team, has lost its concept here. It's like posters need a reason to b1tch. 

Since '11, just before we drafted Cam, we've been more about WHO is at QB than WHAT QB play and the team as a whole looked like. Cam polarized the fan base more than many here may remember. Some were ready to see him fail, some were optimistic but sort of expecting him to be a flash in the pan, others were die hard Cam Newton fans from the start. Whatever the case, most came to the obvious conclusion: Cam is really good, but different. He's not what most of us wanted him to be immediately. We wanted 2003 Jake Delhomme back. We wanted somebody to come in and be rock solid and stead fast and humble. What we got was brash, young, unconventional and a giant superstar. A far cry from humble Jake and the numerous QBs who succeeded him from 2009-2011.

Fast forward through Cam's career, there are constants that cannot be ignored and are often both under and overstated by people on here as well as talking heads in media. Cam's accuracy, while not near as bad as some would have you believe, is and has always been an issue. Not that he isn't accurate, it's that his accuracy comes in flashes. When he is hot and feeling it, Cam Newton is unparalleled. When he is cold....boy he's tough to watch. When he's injured, it's just sad to watch because we know how he looks hot and cold and you know he's in the middle and that he can't help it due to injury.

What Kyle Allen or any more "conventional" QB brings to the team that we have lacked is quiet but consistent play within each game. Occasionally lighting it up when they can, but never going to be the best QB in the league type of guys. Like Jake. That's what we're seeing. A QB that is benefiting from a great supporting cast. Like Jake. A time period that many miss and romanticize a bit.

Cam is the better football player. Cam, when healthy, is the better QB of the two. But he brings something different from Allen. As long as Cam is on the roster, he is THE guy. If he's not on his game, the team will struggle. We have seen this throughout his career. That is the difference between he and Allen because Allen just had one of the most "meh" personal performances we've seen in a while from anybody and we still won. Cam being "meh" means we're struggling to do anything offensively. THAT is the difference. Cam is more dynamic, he brings more to your team, he affords more creativity and he can bail you out in situations most QBs would crumble.....but you better hope he's healthy and not on a bad day.

What does this lead to? A Carolina Huddle where if you say "I don't know, Allen just seems to fit what Norv wants offensively a bit better and the offense just operates different with him in there", you're secretly racist and the very people who claim to be Panthers fans are watching Panthers games WAITING for the 8 bad passing plays (regardless of who is to blame) so they can criticize Allen because Cam has been criticized so much by people his whole career.

The Panthers are bigger than any one player and this board has forgotten that.

[weyco2000]

1 hour ago, Saca312 said:

The defender on Samuel guns for CMC pre-snap. Should've been a pre-snap read that Curtis would've been wide open in the middle as the defender would vacate the area. That's what Panthersfilm was alluding to in that.

Allen however was working for a safe throw as you said, so his first read was immediately to checkdown to CMC. Which he has done a ton, leaving some big plays on the field.

I mean it could've been worse. Fwiw, Allen's been quite safe with his reads and not being risky. That can be good or bad depending on context. It's kept him safe from throwing bad ducks at least.

He's a backup UDFA anyhow. He's fine for his role, and I'd rather him be safe than take too many risks.

Maybe the UDFA back up wants it more?

[onmyown]

Lol this guy clearly has an agenda 

[Masemob]

5 hours ago, BrianS said:

First year UDFA QB still making mistakes?  Still learning to see everything?  Not quite the finished product?

Color me shocked!

Weird