Kyle Allens film study (it's not good)

[ellis]

16 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

 

I know you've been watching film, so I'll ask you whether you remember seeing him do it this year, last year, or even in the preseason because I don't.

Funny, the only time I’ve noticed it is on his first career touchdown. The quarterback sneak in New Orleans.

[Mr. Scot]

One thing I'd add...

Unless you're an actual professional, there are few things that will get me to question the value of your analysis more quickly then saying "I know with absolute certainty that this play is designed to go here."

No you don't.

[SetfreexX]

Man don't upset the 150's they finally have white QB hope again. 

Anyone can see Allen is a good back up, anyone should also be able to see his ceiling isn't ANYWHERE near Cam's floor. 

We are barely winning games off defense and CMC playing like an absolute STUD, our passing game right now is being covered up for by those performances.

Without a fumble return for a TD we lose that game vs JAX, he has 4 fumbles in 2 games, and 3 lost, not all on the OL. 

He is performing admirably, and I'm glad we have him as a BACK-UP. 

But if you're getting your boxers wet over him as the future, you have lost your mind. We are a one man show on offense without Cam, Olsen, Samuel, and Moore are limited factors at the moment with the current QB situation. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, ellis said:

Funny, the only time I’ve noticed it is on his first career touchdown. The quarterback sneak in New Orleans.

Maybe that's why I forgot it 

Hey, if you're gonna do it...

[lightsout]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

One thing I'd add...

Unless you're an actual professional, there are few things that will get me to question the value of your analysis more quickly then saying "I know with absolute certainty that this play is designed to go here."

No you don't.

Even professionals. Only the coach and QB can really say that with absolute certainty. Everything after that is assumptions built on understanding of certain factors.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, lightsout said:

Even professionals. Only the coach and QB can really say that with absolute certainty. Everything after that is assumptions built on understanding of certain factors.

Pretty much. Plus it's not like you can't run the same play with different options.

[lightsout]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Pretty much. Plus it's not like you can't run the same play with different options.

Anybody who has ever played the game from high school level or above has heard coaches say "alright, we're running this BUT WE'RE DOING THIS WITH IT INSTEAD" at half time.

[ellis]

I make it a point to really be careful not to coach players up when I do film analysis. 

[Darvinsun]

1 hour ago, Nesbro1 said:

Jeebus Cam is a 6'5 235lb 4.5 running 40 million dollar multi year starting No 1 overall pick. 

Expectations are different for him.

Not to mention the fact he glossed himself Superman on his own.

Well you don't get to wear the S without bearing the weight of the world.

Jesus we all know he is not superman, but some of the plays he made made him look that way. Injuries have mounted up on him. Cam now he to be Antman instead.

That's a big adjustment to make from Superman view. Confidence in Antman abilities is where CAM has to adjust to.

 

 

[lightsout]

4 minutes ago, ellis said:

I make it a point to really be careful not to coach players up when I do film analysis. 

Which is why I generally like your takes. OP's film guy.....a bit of a "see, he's not a good QB" kind of guy when he clearly doesn't understand what he's looking at on film. Biggest thing is, as pointed out, none of us really KNOW what the play calls are. We are taking our best cracks at it with whatever basis of understanding we come from. Some of us have coached at the high school level or above and been around it and still come off less arrogant than the OP film guy.

[cookinbrak]

1 hour ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

if you think qb winz is a meaningful statistic in the slightest then you are a moron, full stop. notice im not directly calling you, mr scot, a moron. so hold off on rushing to report this post. i am speaking in the abstract. people who attribute any meaning at all to qb winz are consistently the dumbest people on this forum. not saying that you, mr scot, are a moron. just saying that this theoretical person who believes that qb winz speak to a quarterback's abilities or contribution to a team, this person, is a moron. 

What about QB losses?

[ellis]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

You have a positive opinion of Allen so your analysis can't be taken seriously.

 You shut your whore mouth about Kyle Allen.!!!!!!!

 

All jokes aside, I still value that tape from the New Orleans game. The time he put in versus their starting unit showed me that good things were possible. I’m also on record from the summer as saying if any of these other quarterbacks saw the field, it would probably be a bad season. Meaning, anybody but cam.

And the team still hasn’t won anything yet. Three straight wins is great, and it’s pretty rare these days. 

What you typically see from an overwhelmed back up by now is monumental mental breakdowns. I’m not seeing that from Allen. I did see it from Heinicke. 

He’s playing on a conservative level too. There are several plays on film where he wisely restrains from making a throw that could end up picked off. The fumbles are terrible, and there’s no excuse. It’s a problem that has to get better. 

Inexperienced QB’s often go thru this. Kerry Collins fumbled nearly 20 times in his rookie year. He cut that down to six the next year. 

 

[TheRed]

51 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

Man don't upset the 150's they finally have white QB hope again

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, ellis said:

 You shut your whore mouth about Kyle Allen.!!!!!!!

All jokes aside, I still value that tape from the New Orleans game. The time he put in versus their starting unit showed me that good things were possible. I’m also on record from the summer as saying if any of these other quarterbacks saw the field, it would probably be a bad season. Meaning, anybody but cam.

And the team still hasn’t won anything yet. Three straight wins is great, and it’s pretty rare these days. 

What you typically see from an overwhelmed back up by now is monumental mental breakdowns. I’m not seeing that from Allen. I did see it from Heinicke. 

He’s playing on a conservative level too. There are several plays on film where he wisely restrains from making a throw that could end up picked off. The fumbles are terrible, and there’s no excuse. It’s a problem that has to get better. 

Inexperienced QB’s often go thru this. Kerry Collins fumbled nearly 20 times in his rookie year. He cut that down to six the next year. 

You and I don't always agree on conclusions but I respect that you put in the work and that you do so without an agenda or an axe to grind.

There are plenty of film study guys out there who's decision is already made before they ever look at the tape. It's just a matter of finding the right tape to support the agenda.