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Kyle Allens film study (it's not good)

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1 minute ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    You already have your mind made up. Nothing I say will sway you in any way. 

 

    You are happy Cam is not playing. I am excited to get him back. 

I'm happy we're winning, you're not because Cam isn't getting the glory. I'd be happier if Cam came back and took this team to a Superbowl victory, but I wouldn't change anything at the moment. 

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1 hour ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    There is no doubt that Cam's running effected the pass Defense. But therein lies the rub. If he could not pass, he would not be a dual threat.

 

    Point being. Down the line, if need be, he should be able to get the job done as a passer. Why is that so difficult for folks to comprehend?

Dude, you said it... Dual threat QB. They don't last long in this league 

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2 minutes ago, weyco2000 said:

I'm happy we're winning, you're not because Cam isn't getting the glory. I'd be happier if Cam came back and took this team to a Superbowl victory, but I wouldn't change anything at the moment. 

 

    If that is what you got out of this?

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12 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    Have any scientific evidence to back that up? Otherwise, you don't mind if I do not share that point of view?

Yeah our win/loss record, his QBR, watching a fuging game... I appreciate your point of view, it wouldn't be interesting if we all shared the same.

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11 minutes ago, weyco2000 said:

Yeah our win/loss record, his QBR, watching a fuging game... I appreciate your point of view, it wouldn't be interesting if we all shared the same.

 

    Kyle has performed better than expected. But when Cam comes back. This is his team. I am nothing but happy for Kyle. And the folks dogging him for anything need to get a grip. But yeah, this is Cam's team until proven otherwise.

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1 hour ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    Kyle has performed better than expected. But when Cam comes back. This is his team. I am nothing but happy for Kyle. And the folks dogging him for anything need to get a grip. But yeah, this is Cam's team until proven otherwise.

Cams team = oxymoron 

This team is undefeated without his presence, that my friend speaks volumes. No excuses,  just winning games as a team.

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Okay, since this has devolved into yet another Allen vs Cam shitshow. Let's have some fun.

Accomplishments and records

Awards

Rookie records

  • Most combined touchdowns for a rookie in NFL history (35)
  • Most combined yards for a rookie in NFL history (4,784)
  • First rookie to throw over 4,000 passing yards
  • First and only rookie to pass for more than 4,000 yards and rush for more than 700 yards
  • First rookie in NFL history to pass for more than 400 yards in back to back games, September 11, 2011 vs. Arizona Cardinals and September 18, 2011 vs. Green Bay Packers[208]

Records and achievements

  • Most rushing touchdowns by a quarterback in NFL history (58)[209]
  • Most passing yards by a quarterback in his first two games (854), September 11, 2011 vs. Arizona Cardinals and September 18, 2011 vs. Green Bay Packers[210]
  • Most games in NFL history with a passing touchdown and a rushing touchdown (32)[211]
  • Most player of the week awards in a single season (5) tied with Tom Brady[212]
  • First player in NFL history and most games with at least 250 passing yards, 100 rushing yards, 1 passing touchdown, and 1 rushing touchdown in a single game (2)[213]
  • Most games in single season with at least one passing touchdown and one rushing touchdown (8)[214]
  • Only player in NFL history with at least 30 passing touchdowns and 10 rushing touchdowns in same season[215]
  • Most rushing touchdowns in single season by a quarterback (14), achieved on December 4, 2011 vs. Tampa Bay Buccaneers[216]
  • Most combined yards in a player's first five seasons (21,560)[217]
  • First quarterback and fifth player in NFL history with at least 500 rushing yards, 5 rushing touchdowns, and 4.8 yards a carry in 5 consecutive NFL seasons[218]
  • First quarterback in NFL history to win both NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year and NFL MVP at some point in his career.
  • Most passing yards by a quarterback in debut game (422), September 11, 2011 vs. Arizona Cardinals[219]
  • First quarterback in NFL history to pass for more than 400 yards in first two career starts, September 11, 2011 vs. Arizona Cardinals and September 18, 2011 vs. Green Bay Packers[208]
  • Fastest player to throw for 1,000 yards (at Arizona Cardinals, vs. Green Bay Packers, and vs. Jacksonville Jaguars)[220]
  • Sixth quarterback to throw for 400+ yards in back to back games[219]
  • First player in NFL history with at least five rushing touchdowns and five passing touchdowns in his first five games[221]
  • Twenty-fifth NFL player (and first quarterback) to have 20 rushing touchdowns in first two seasons[222]
  • First player to have 30 passing touchdowns and 20 rushing touchdowns in first two seasons[223]
  • First player in NFL history with 50 passing touchdowns and 25 rushing touchdowns in his first three seasons[224]
  • First player in NFL history with 4,000+ passing yards and 10+ rushing touchdowns in a season[225]
  • First player in NFL history with 4,000+ passing yards and 500+ rushing yards in a season[226]
  • First quarterback in NFL history with 100+ pass touchdowns and 25+ rush touchdowns in first five seasons[147]
  • First quarterback in NFL history with multiple seasons of 20+ passing touchdowns and 10+ rushing touchdowns in a season[227]
  • First player in NFL history with 10,000 passing yards and 1,000 rushing yards in his first three seasons[228]
  • First player in NFL history with 10,000 passing yards and 2,000 rushing yards in his first four seasons[229]
  • First player in NFL history to have at least 3,000 passing yards and 500 rushing yards in five consecutive seasons[230]
  • First quarterback in NFL history to rush for 100+ yards and pass for 300+ yards with 5 touchdowns in a single game (December 20, 2015).[231]
  • First player in NFL history with 100+ rush yards and 5 pass touchdowns in a single game[230]
  • First player with 3,500 passing yards, 20 passing touchdowns and 10 rushing touchdowns in a single season (2011, 2015)[218]
  • First quarterback in NFL history with 10+ rushing touchdowns in multiple NFL seasons (2011, 2015)[232]
  • Fifth quarterback in NFL history with 3+ games with 5+ touchdown passes in a season[230]
  • Fourth quarterback to win 17+ straight regular season starts in the Super Bowl era[230]
  • Most games in NFL history with at least 200 passing yards and 80 rushing yards with multiple touchdown passes and a rushing touchdown (4 games)[233]
  • Third quarterback in NFL history with 2+ passing touchdowns and 1+ rushing touchdown[234]
  • Second quarterback in NFL history with 3+ passing touchdowns and 1+ rushing touchdown[235]
  • Most touchdown passes from a player from Auburn[236]
  • First starting quarterback to win the NFC South in consecutive seasons (2013–2015)
  • Second player in NFL history with 7,500+ pass yards and 40+ pass touchdowns in first two seasons, joining Peyton Manning ('99)[237]
  • First quarterback in NFL history to earn a comeback victory when trailing in overtime[142]
  • Third quarterback in NFL history to pass for over 3,000 yards in his first five seasons[238]
  • Second most 5+ touchdown games in a single season (3)[239]
  • Second quarterback with 300+ passing yards and 100+ rushing yards in a single game[240]
  • First player in Super Bowl era to pass for 300 yards and rush for multiple touchdowns in a playoff game[241]
  • Most rushing touchdowns by a quarterback in his first four seasons (33)[242]

Panthers franchise records

Note: records current as of 2017 off-season[243]

  • Pass completions, career (1,710), rookie season (310)
  • Pass attempts, career (2,928), playoff game (41, 2016-02-07 N-DEN)
  • Passing yards, career (25,074), game (432, 2011-09-18 GNB), playoff game (335, 2016-01-24 ARI), rookie season (4,051), rookie game (432, 2011-09-18 GNB)
  • Passing touchdowns, career (158), game (5, thrice, shared with Steve Beuerlein),[244] rookie season (21), rookie game (3, 2011-10-30 MIN and 2011-12-24 TAM, shared with Kerry Collins)
  • Interceptions, rookie game (4, 2011-11-20 @DET; shared with Kerry Collins (twice) and Chris Weinke)
  • Passer Rating, season (99.4 in 2015), game (153.3, 2015-12-13 ATL), playoff career (83.9), rookie season (84.5), rookie game (142.4, 2011-12-24 TAM)
  • Times sacked, career (221), game (9, 2014-11-10 @PHI; shared with Frank Reich), playoffs (16; shared with Jake Delhomme), playoff season (8 in 2015; shared with Jake Delhomme), playoff game (6, 2016-02-07 N-DEN), rookie season (35)
  • Yards per pass attempt, career (7.44), season (7.98 in 2012), game (12.65, 2012-09-16 NOR), playoff season (10.68 in 2013), playoff game (11.96, 2016-01-24 ARI), rookie season (7.84), and rookie game (11.41, 2011-09-11 @ARI)
  • Passing yards per game, career (234.1), playoffs (245.3), playoff season (267 in 2013), and rookie season (253.2)
  • 300+ yard passing games, career (15) and rookie season (3)
  • 4000+ yard passing seasons: 1 (shared with Steve Beuerlein)
  • Rushing touchdowns, career (48), rookie season (14), rookie game (3, 2011-12-04 @TAM; shared with Fred Lane)
  • Yards per carry, career (5.18), season (5.83 in 2012), rookie season (5.60)
  • Rush/Rec Touchdowns, playoff game (2; shared with 3 players), rookie season (14), rookie game (3, 2011-12-04 @TAM; shared with Fred Lane)
  • Games with 1+ TD, rookie season (10)
  • Games with 2+ TD, rookie season (3)
  • Most combined yards in franchise history[245]
  • Most NFC Offensive Player of the Week Awards in a single season (5)[246]
  • 2nd player in franchise history to win NFC Offensive Player of the Week Award multiple times in a single season[148]
  • Completions in a row (15) (December 6, 2015 vs. New Orleans Saints)[247]
  • 1st quarterback in franchise history to throw four TD passes in the first half of a game (November 22, 2015 v Washington Redskins)[248]
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8 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    Kyle has performed better than expected. But when Cam comes back. This is his team. I am nothing but happy for Kyle. And the folks dogging him for anything need to get a grip. But yeah, this is Cam's team until proven otherwise.

 

I agree, but my intuition (which probably counts for precisely zero and I realize this) says that Cam is gonna come back, underwhelm, we lose after winning every game since he went out after week 2 and then we're stuck in the position of benching Cam and claiming he's not 100% so we can possibly move him in the off season or cut him without hurting his value.

Maybe it's just me thinking worst case scenario, and maybe it's me worried that the team would tailspin by moving away from the hot hand, but it scares the hell out of me.

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1 minute ago, lightsout said:

 

I agree, but my intuition (which probably counts for precisely zero and I realize this) says that Cam is gonna come back, underwhelm, we lose after winning every game since he went out after week 2 and then we're stuck in the position of benching Cam and claiming he's not 100% so we can possibly move him in the off season or cut him without hurting his value.

Maybe it's just me thinking worst case scenario, and maybe it's me worried that the team would tailspin by moving away from the hot hand, but it scares the hell out of me.

Nah, we just need to get Cam a win to bolster him. This is part of a mind game by Ron for sure to give Cam some time of fire. Cause so far Cam didn’t have any fire in week 1 & 2.

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1 minute ago, Harbingers said:

Nah, we just need to get Cam a win to bolster him. This is part of a mind game by Ron for sure to give Cam some time of fire. Cause so far Cam didn’t have any fire in week 1 & 2.

 

Yeah but I think the lack of fire isn't something that can just get fixed. Either he has it or he doesn't.

What do you do if he comes out, plays poorly, and we lose? Because that's a very real possibility that many here don't address because they're sold that Cam will come back 100% and just set the world on fire, but I'm not sold. Cam always needed four weeks to really get the engines going and he got better each week after with the occasional stumble that all QBs suffer in a season.

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