cam newton wasn't on the sidelines because he was following the doctors orders

[ecu88]

10 minutes ago, 332nd said:

In all honesty, I did find it funny when a few people took to the Houston game thread & used the same language that is used to bash Cam to bash Allen in an expert trolling operation... But yeah, time to move past that.

I'm too worried that our o-line is gonna get all of our QBs in boots & we're gonna be running the wildcat.

I am ready to scarifice myself to the football gods for a healthy Oline and no more injuries so the line can gell.

Oline will carry us as far as they mesh and stay healthy. A less than healthy (90% min) Cam will not prob set him back further.

Having start in the 49ers game after a bye, I am 50% on.

The game after, it depends on KA, the oline and Cam's health. 

I hate saying this cliche, one game at a time. Let us see where we are at the bye and then evaluate for the 49ers game.

I like see Cam back post 49ers but if KA is hot again abd cuts the fumbles and no INTs........Idk what I would do as a coach.......it is a good problem to have but at the same time how will this impact Cam.

If Cam came back and we are in the mix of potential playoffs and lays a stinkier.....fug Cam does not deserve being hounded by the fan base. The dude has literally sacrificed his body carring a bad O for along time. 

[iamhubby1]

17 minutes ago, ecu88 said:

I like see Cam back post 49ers but if KA is hot again abd cuts the fumbles and no INTs........Idk what I would do as a coach.......it is a good problem to have but at the same time how will this impact Cam.

 

 

    IMO, all it is going to take for Cam to see the field again? A full week of full practice. Once he can do that, he is good to go.

 

    He is already working out. So maybe that future is not so very far away. No matter who the opponent. Once healthy, he plays.

[micnificent28]

2 hours ago, raz said:

cam is not a generational talent at qb.  get a grip.  that would be tom brady.   maybe mahomes will be the next generational talent, we'll see.   cam has been a really good qb and has played great at times and for stretches, but he's not a generational talent at qb.  you're delusional

I beg to differ.. statistically before the injury his passing numbers were elite 4 as as yards/ seasons played with manning and Favre and a I think Marino... that's rare air. Add in that we have never seen a quarterback play the way he plays as a power rusher arguably and very light argument against him being the "greatest" dual threat or rushing qb of all time. He has the touchdowns and rushing numbers to stake a high claim at that.

We have seen fast guys ar qb but never a fast power running I will run you over and still have agility.. yes cam has shaken people out of their shoes.. and when healthy a top 5 NFL arm? That all spells generational talent. You might argue about oh well his accuracy.. no were talking talent. Pure talent. If we are going off that I would say Cam might be the most "talented" player to ever play the position.

Pat mahomes is obviously a better thrower. But he isn't have of what cam is rushing the football. The only arguement you can possibly make against cam being a generational talent at qb is oh well his completion percentage which I will take for what he gives on the ground to make up for that. He isn't Brady passing but they aren't cam running... prove me wrong.

[KillerKat]

3 hours ago, Paintballr said:

Anyone who is silly enough to believe this is doctor ordered need to ask why Greg was allowed on the sideline with his broken foot. 

Also 3 hours of standing is too much? Ok, go sit in a box with the owner or Charles Johnson who are always at the game. If he can’t stand on it for 3 hours at a time in a boot then he isn’t close to coming back and will be gone for the year. 
 

Concussion or head injuries are the ones I understand as noise, light etc can affect those. Also IR players won’t be there like Short. 
 

I’m one of Cams biggest fans. I have two jerseys of his, bobble heads, a painting etc of him for my office, but this is more than a foot. I don’t blame him if he doesn’t want to play any more for health and personal reasons. But decide, which isn’t smart for him if he wants to get paid the contract. 

Funny how some are smarter than doctors all of sudden and still take the opportunity to poo on Cam, but have to add in the lie "I'm one of Cam's biggest fans". Yeah sure you are bud. Keep shining your true colors loud and proud. Everyone knows who you really are.

[raz]

1 minute ago, micnificent28 said:

I beg to differ.. statistically before the injury his passing numbers were elite 4 as as yards/ seasons played with manning and Favre and a I think Marino... that's rare air. Add in that we have never seen a quarterback play the way he plays as a power rusher arguably and very light argument against him being the "greatest" dual threat or rushing qb of all time. He has the touchdowns and rushing numbers to stake a high claim at that.

We have seen fast guys ar qb but never a fast power running I will run you over and still have agility.. yes cam has shaken people out of their shoes.. and when healthy a top 5 NFL arm? That all spells generational talent. You might argue about oh well his accuracy.. no were talking talent. Pure talent. If we are going off that I would say Cam might be the most "talented" player to ever play the position.

Pat mahomes is obviously a better thrower. But he isn't have of what cam is rushing the football. The only arguement you can possibly make against cam being a generational talent at qb is oh well his completion percentage which I will take for what he gives on the ground to make up for that. He isn't Brady passing but they aren't cam running... prove me wrong.

wins and losses bro.  they count.   and he isn't because there's brees and rodgers and brady and rapeyburger and wilson and and and who are a better qb than him.  best he's ever been is a top 5 qb.  if you wanna say he was #1 in '15 i'm cool with that.   but at best he's a top 10 qb overall and that is not generational.   now, like i said, if the team had valued o-line and not always acted like we were a couple players away from a SB, and actually built him a line he may have been able to put up those kinds of numbers consistently over a long period of time.  that did not happen.  that's what it takes to be a 'generational' talent.  michael jordan was a generational talent.   tom brady is a generational talent.   you don't get to dominate the league for a couple years and be that. that's not how it works.  he's not going to be a first ballot hall of famer.  there's too many boxes he didn't check. not yet anyway. 

[KillerKat]

2 minutes ago, raz said:

wins and losses bro.  they count.   and he isn't because there's brees and rodgers and brady and rapeyburger and wilson and and and who are a better qb than him.  best he's ever been is a top 5 qb.  if you wanna say he was #1 in '15 i'm cool with that.   but at best he's a top 10 qb overall and that is not generational.   now, like i said, if the team had valued o-line and not always acted like we were a couple players away from a SB, and actually built him a line he may have been able to put up those kinds of numbers consistently over a long period of time.  that did not happen.  that's what it takes to be a 'generational' talent.  michael jordan was a generational talent.   tom brady is a generational talent.   you don't get to dominate the league for a couple years and be that. that's not how it works.  he's not going to be a first ballot hall of famer.  there's too many boxes he didn't check. not yet anyway. 

You can still be considered a generational talent if you are surrounded by poo. Unless you are poor at recognizing talent without someone else telling you or you only think wins are made by a QB instead of a team because you are small brain.

[raz]

1 minute ago, KillerKat said:

You can still be considered a generational talent if you are surrounded by poo. Unless you are poor at recognizing talent without someone else telling you or you only think wins are made by a QB instead of a team because you are small brain.

that's not how it works.  you're changing the accepted definition which is michael jordan.    i'm sorry, he's not.  doesn't mean you should love him any less.   

[1of10Charnatives]

39 minutes ago, ecu88 said:

I am ready to scarifice myself to the football gods for a healthy Oline and no more injuries so the line can gell. 

Agreed. I am also willing to sacrifice you to the football gods for a healthy oline. I would even be willing to personally watch @thebigcat eat a handful of live bees if it would bring us a healthy oline. I am willing to make that kind of sacrifice for the team.

[raz]

i'm not trying to be an ass. when his shoulder was good the whole field was under attack.  imagine what he could have done with a good o-line instead of our organization relying on him to be superman.   i personally think its a shame what's happened to him and the shite we've trotted out in front of him.  its one of the reasons i want hurney and rivera gone, and wanted gman gone.   i'm not blaming this on cam

[micnificent28]

4 minutes ago, raz said:

wins and losses bro.  they count.   and he isn't because there's brees and rodgers and brady and rapeyburger and wilson and and and who are a better qb than him.  best he's ever been is a top 5 qb.  if you wanna say he was #1 in '15 i'm cool with that.   but at best he's a top 10 qb overall and that is not generational.   now, like i said, if the team had valued o-line and not always acted like we were a couple players away from a SB, and actually built him a line he may have been able to put up those kinds of numbers consistently over a long period of time.  that did not happen.  that's what it takes to be a 'generational' talent.  michael jordan was a generational talent.   tom brady is a generational talent.   you don't get to dominate the league for a couple years and be that. that's not how it works.  he's not going to be a first ballot hall of famer.  there's too many boxes he didn't check. not yet anyway. 

Dont give me wins and losses.. Kyle Allen is 4-0.. he isn't a generational talent because of it. Hes 4-0 because of the outstanding play by cmc and the defense. If we actually measuring what allen is doing hes driving a very nice sports car.. he isn't the engine of what makes it go. Wins and losses are a team statistic.. not sure why people dont get that.. 

A quarterback can throw for 500 yards 5 touchdowns and still lose a game if the defense doesnt show up. You cant possiblity but the measurement of talent on a scale that's "designed" (yes that's that's what wins and losses are made for) show which side played better in a team sport.

All avenues you described cam comparing him to Rodgers brady and all that completely negate what cam does running the football. You cant ignore that aspect when grading him. He might throw 24 touchdowns and they throw 31 but then you look and cam has another 800 yards rushing with 10 more rushing touchdowns. I get it it's easy to say cam doesnt fit the mold of what you have seen from past talents at the position. That's because we have NEVER seen something like cam so he isn't going to resemble them.

The fact that we have never seen in the long history of the league a player like Newton tells you all you need to know about the word "generational talent". Sure he isn't top 5 passing numbers out right but add in what he does on the ground should even up that discrepancy quiet a bit. As for the hall.. it's hard to say with the time he is missing. But if hes able to resume his career and even hit the numbers he hit in say 2014 or so then yeah I think he gets in. Has mvps has division chips and a rookie of the year number one draft pick. That stuff matters. Not to mention being the all time qb rushing touchdown leader before 30 years old lol.

[ChrisSimmsspleen]

5 hours ago, joeyxfresco said:

You expect Cam to sit when there’s a game going on? Dude is too hyper and energetic

Yeah unless he is pouting.  Get real this guy is all about what is going on with himself.  Best to keep the negative energy away. 

[Icege]

4 hours ago, tgrfan01 said:

its because anyone who isnt a fan of cam is racist obviously

Woa there, this isn't share your secret shame time.

[micnificent28]

31 minutes ago, ChrisSimmsspleen said:

Yeah unless he is pouting.  Get real this guy is all about what is going on with himself.  Best to keep the negative energy away. 

You see pouting but I see someone who hates losing it shows he cares about the game.. but then your probably also in this thread saying he isn't at the game because he doesnt care and is selfish.. you see in cam what you want to see. I think their is a culture gap there that your just unaccustomed to and you try to place your own world views on his values, you misread a person that way all the time

[Icege]

4 hours ago, Paintballr said:

I’m pretty sure Ryan was IR with his which explains why

IR'd players can be on the sideline.