Is Allen a legit starting qb

[Mr. Scot]

Accuracy is basically an outgrowth of good hand-eye coordination.

[fortyrod]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Accuracy is basically an outgrowth of good hand-eye coordination.

Being able to throw a football to an exact place at an exact time is part of it. Another part is picking the right place/time to throw it. So being on the same page as the receivers (preparation+coaching) plus the football equivalent Jedi skill of knowing how receivers will react do when a play breaks down. KA has had flashes of being good at both. Let's hope he progresses.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, fortyrod said:

Being able to throw a football to an exact place at an exact time is part of it. Another part is picking the right place/time to throw it. So being on the same page as the receivers (preparation+coaching) plus the football equivalent Jedi skill of knowing how receivers will react do when a play breaks down. KA has had flashes of being good at both. Let's hope he progresses.

Helps when you understand that the best spot to throw the football is not always right in the guys bread basket.

And as has been discussed before, hitting guys in stride is a really really big deal.

[fortyrod]

5 hours ago, dgr8one said:

People who believe in regression are also those who probably believe climate change is real LOL

KA is the best quarterback this team has ever had.

So, you're saying that people who can interpret graphs probably also believe in climate change? You may be on to something there...

[CatTower]

2 hours ago, SBiii said:

No QB can win a game by himself.   Football is a team game and by definition the quarterback is charged with managing the game.  QB's who manage the best win the most....Brady & Wilson are great examples as such. 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not putting Allen in their class but those guys don't have prodigious physical gifts...

...but they win baby. 

NOTE:  Kyle's overall RTG is still probationary until he gets a minimum of 5 games under his belt but he's working on a darn good base.

People seem to think that QBs win and lose games by themselves.  Having a QB that is a good game manager and doesn't turn the ball over puts the game into your defenses hand.  And, when you have a good defense, that means wins.   I'd much rather have a stable QB who is a good game manager than a guy that flips and flops putting up great games and duds.  

[ickmule]

2 minutes ago, CatTower said:

People seem to think that QBs win and lose games by themselves.  Having a QB that is a good game manager and doesn't turn the ball over puts the game into your defenses hand.  And, when you have a good defense, that means wins.   I'd much rather have a stable QB who is a good game manager than a guy that flips and flops putting up great games and duds.  

Or mopes when things aren’t going well.  I think we can all recall Mr. Mopey Head.   

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Helps when you understand that the best spot to throw the football is not always right in the guys bread basket.

And as has been discussed before, hitting guys in stride is a really really big deal.

which is one of Cam's biggest shortcomings.

I mean Cam is one of the few QBs in the NFL that can literally attack the entire field.  Nothing is off limits.  Which is actually rare.  Very few defenses actually have to defend all throws on a given down.  Like the out to the far side of the field.  I mean it just isn't a throw average QBs can pull off at this level. 

But Cam throws at WRs way too consistently.  Always has.  Part of that could be years of throwing to big body box out WRs I guess. 

[BurnHurnBurn]

Wow, a lot of pages for a simple question.

 

The answer is also simple.   He will be a legit starter when it's no longer a question.

When it becomes asinine to suggest anyone other than Kyle Allen as the starting QB, he becomes legit.

[iamhubby1]

5 hours ago, CRA said:

If I was a betting man...I would guess the KA Panthers hit 5-0 this week and Cam takes over after the bye.  Then loses his first game back. 

Some things just seem like destiny.  

Does that mean KA> Cam? It will be a very rusty Cam will slated to make his comeback against a good team on the west coast. 

I’d actually hope Cam returns vs Tenn at home.  Better game to knock of the rust IMO.  

 

    To me it would come down to how Cam is practicing. If he is moving well, throwing the ball well, and just being Cam. I would start him the next game. Anything less, and I may be hesitant giving him the ball.

 

    I would expect that after almost 2 months away from the game, I would expect Cam to be jonesing to play. And if his health matches his excitement? That Cam can be damm dangerous.

[top dawg]

I don't know about Allen, but Minshew sure is!

[trucpfan]

10 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Regression only counts when other factors are constant. If you throw 200 yards and 400 against another that isn't regression that is usually taking what a defense is giving you. You have to play 2 games against the same team before you can show regression 

This is a great point it has seemed to be thrown away so let me clearly repeat if all factors were constant then we can say he regressed. We were running for about 250 bills so of course he’s gonna throw less. I’m starting to see that Kyle has played very well vs some dam good defenses that’s hard for many to say at a very young age. He’s moved the ball when need be on several key drives thus short season when we really needed to he’s converted.

[JARROD]

He can be a starter. He had a tough game and of course the best RB in the league to take a lot of pressure off. And we won as a team.

so he has a long way to go.

 

[Snake]

10 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

To be fair, Allen is also doing that now. Just not the same way.

True but reality hit hard against Jax. They really shot themselves in the foot and our splash plays killed them. Their game plan however was solid on both sides. As Rivera would say it was lack of execution. 

[PleaseCutStewart]

Even with the fumbles, I really liked how Allen looked against Arizona and Houston. That being said, he did not look good against Jacksonville (and yes, I know the pass blocking was crap). The one thing I liked about the previous 2 games was that Allen seemed to make pinpoint accurate throws into small windows, even if they didn't have the most power behind them. Yesterday, his accuracy was not very good and lucked out he didn't throw at least 1 INT.

I still like what I have seen from Allen and believe once we put literally anyone but Darryl Williams at LT, he will do better