Ron and Norv gotta go

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

BREAKING NEWS:

Talented NFL rosters help coaches achieve winning records. 

‘We spent time here on the Carolina Huddle examining the science behind the correlation of talented rosters and success in the NFL. Amazingly we concluded that teams with talent across the roster are more likely to succeed and win games than teams lacking in talent. We also found coaches who have a talented roster are more likely to win games than coaches without a talented roster. This may explain why teams such as the Redskins, Raiders, Dolphins and Lions have been through as many coaches as they have in recent years while teams like the Patriots, Steelers, Saints have kept their coaching staff in tact.

Its worth pointing out that head coaches also have a lot to do with their players living up to their fullest potential on the field. Poor coaching might limit a players potential success while good coaches tend to get the most out of their players.’

 

 

I realize these findings may shock you but it seems to make sense...

 

Also came across the headline “terrible NFL coach goes remarkable 15-1. Critics say the coach was sole reason for only loss of the season”

We lost 2 games that season. And the Broncos players were laughing after the SB because the CotY made no changes to his game plan and it made it easy for them to shut down Cam.

[JawnyBlaze]

On 10/6/2019 at 4:58 PM, Carl Spackler said:

Ron now the winningest coach in Panthers history. Still think he’s better than Fox. Still think we could do better too. 

I think at his best fox was better than Rivera’s best. At his worst he was worse than Rivera’s worst. Ron’s been consistent in that he never learns, never adapts

[saX man]

5 minutes ago, JawnyBlaze said:

I think at his best fox was better than Rivera’s best. At his worst he was worse than Rivera’s worst. Ron’s been consistent in that he never learns, never adapts

This. 

He does however develop an adequate squad that has some mojo heading into gameday.  Take for example the Falcons, Dan Quinn instills nothing in that team.  They have never looked fierce, dedicated, or inspired even when winning.  Lackadaisical coasters down I-85.    

Ron has at least developed a culture and seems to have certain good HC traits.  Problem is and forever will be his depth decisions, in-game decision making (that sometimes can be good) and lack of adaptability.  It hampers us when we go against great teams or are in tough single score battles.  We never put away teams and it never feels comfortable when we have a lead.  Funny thing is that we seem to have the number on a lot of good teams but I want a guy who can out-coach that turd in NO. 

If we make the playoffs, I think Tepper could still go about firing him.  I do think Hurney is gone at GM no matter what but if we do okay may stay in the FO to some capacity.  Tepper wants his own guy managing the team IMO.  Colbert? (Not that I want that but it's a possibility) 

[JARROD]

I actually think they called a great game. 

Its about as good as you can do on offense when there’s no time to throw.

what Jacksonville gave us is weakness against quick runners— we ate them up and Norv exploited it.

everyone forgets there were passes even DJ dropped at opportune times, pass deflections, pass breakups that really held us back. 

Hurney I think the last 2 seasons has done a stellar job replacing guys, fixing holes that Dave left us. Little having a concussion again really hurt— otherwise he was proving all of us that hated the pick wrong. 

[philit99]

On 10/6/2019 at 4:51 PM, Carl Spackler said:

I wouldn’t run a sneak. Does Alex Armah not have the ability to move the ball 36 inches?

I said the same exact thing. Then I realize they have little faith in the center, left or right guard to get a push for any back on short yardages. Short yard plays will be the death of this team, we cannot do them.

[JawnyBlaze]

49 minutes ago, saX man said:

This. 

He does however develop an adequate squad that has some mojo heading into gameday.  Take for example the Falcons, Dan Quinn instills nothing in that team.  They have never looked fierce, dedicated, or inspired even when winning.  Lackadaisical coasters down I-85.    

Ron has at least developed a culture and seems to have certain good HC traits.  Problem is and forever will be his depth decisions, in-game decision making (that sometimes can be good) and lack of adaptability.  It hampers us when we go against great teams or are in tough single score battles.  We never put away teams and it never feels comfortable when we have a lead.  Funny thing is that we seem to have the number on a lot of good teams but I want a guy who can out-coach that turd in NO. 

If we make the playoffs, I think Tepper could still go about firing him.  I do think Hurney is gone at GM no matter what but if we do okay may stay in the FO to some capacity.  Tepper wants his own guy managing the team IMO.  Colbert? (Not that I want that but it's a possibility) 

Yep totally agreed. Ron definitely has his positive traits and I’d never say he’s the worst HC in the league. By there are times he’s just infuriates me with his game time decisions and patterns.  I want someone who is both a good leader of men as well as a good game time strategist. Is that so hard? Heh

[TheMostInterestingMan]

3 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

We lost 2 games that season. And the Broncos players were laughing after the SB because the CotY made no changes to his game plan and it made it easy for them to shut down Cam.

Lolz

Team wins 15 games and it’s 100% because of the players. Same team loses the Super Bowl and it’s 100% the coaches fault. 

Yeah, totally logical 

[Jus Rob]

6 hours ago, ickmule said:

This team haS  never been riddled with talent.  We’ve always had holes that get exposed by super good coaches.  Rivera has done a pretty good job.   

But we have so much talent that Rivera rides

[therealmjl]

Yeah would love to hire a first year head coach like the Bengals did 0-5

[Carl Spackler]

2 hours ago, mjligon said:

Yeah would love to hire a first year head coach like the Bengals did 0-5

It's a proven fact that all rookie coaches suck

[Carl Spackler]

I absolutely adore the fact that pretty much everyone ITT demanded Ron be fired in December, but now that we're 3-2 he's irreplaceable

[SmokinwithWilly]

10 hours ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

Lolz

Team wins 15 games and it’s 100% because of the players. Same team loses the Super Bowl and it’s 100% the coaches fault. 

Yeah, totally logical 

I never said it was 100% the players that won and 100% the coaches who lost. It's the players job to execute the game plan. It's the coaches job to prepare one. For 15 wins the plan worked, excellent job coaches and coordinators. The loss to Atlanta pointed out glaring weaknesses in our team and a proven method of how to beat them. Speed on the edges and our tackles were overwhelmed. Then came the playoffs and Rivera and Shula didnt change what they had been doing all season going into the Super Bowl. Cam and company couldnt execute the same game plan that was completely outmatched by the other coaches preparation. 

When our tackles were getting burned, did we change our playcalling? Nope. Changes at halftime. Nope. The coaches and coordinators dropped the ball. Bigtime. 

Did the players play a perfect game? No. But the players can only execute the offense called. If coaches had prepared or made changes at halftime, I fully believe that Lombardi would have been ours.

The long standing gripe most of us have had is that RR is not capable of changing or adapting in the moment, or adjusting  something that clearly isnt working. He may be the greatest players coach ever, but I also believe he is severely limited by his stubbornness and resistance to change.

This is year 9 and the only consistency is the lack of any consistency. I, and a lot of fans, just want more and frankly at this point, I think we deserve it.

[iamhubby1]

    So...I gotta know. Are we keeping Ron and Norv? The suspense is killing me.

[MVPccaffrey]

Stupid thread by agenda posters, no surprise.  You don't kick to the curb a top 10 coach who sports a top 5 winning percentage in games with a healthy QB under center.  Coach Ron's not going anywhere.