Daley at LT?

[Pantherxtreme]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Again, using only their win-loss record. Your opinion isnt part of that.

Their win-loss record isn't complete, get back at me at the end of the season. 

[Mr. Scot]

20 minutes ago, Pantherxtreme said:

Their win-loss record isn't complete, get back at me at the end of the season. 

That's what I thought.

Out of curiosity, how many more mediocre seasons will you accept on the premise that "they're going to get better"?

Likewise, at what point will you be willing to hold them actually responsible for their results rather than making excuses or blaming somebody else anytime they fail?

[Pantherxtreme]

28 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's what I thought.

Out of curiosity, how many more mediocre seasons will you accept on the premise that "they're going to get better"?

Likewise, at what point will you be willing to hold them actually responsible for their results rather than making excuses or blaming somebody else anytime they fail?

I agree with most people assessment that this is a make it or break it year for Ron.

On the flip side a question for you, if Rivera somehow gets this team into the post season with a backup Qb after starting 0-2 would you still be of the belief that Tepper needs to wipe the slate clean?

[MasterAwesome]

1 hour ago, Toomers said:

Or facts? 

  Hurney took over an 11-5 team. The ONLY moves he made actually hurt the team for the 2017 season. Gano/Butker and KB. One cost us an extra 3M(that year) and we went into playoffs with a practice squad at WR. 

Gettleman took over the 2nd worst team in the NFL with hug cap issues. And has still managed to stay within 2 games with complete opposite circumstances. 

  I guess nuance is whatever you want it to be? 

If you took a deep breath from being triggered and actually read my post...it’s pretty obvious I was using the “6-10 -> 11-5” as a blatant example of pushing a narrative excluding nuance. I would not give Hurney credit (at least majority credit) for the 11-5 season, although your logic is pretty terrible. How did keeping Gano hurt us in 2017 when he was objectively a top kicker that year...leading the league in FG%? You can definitely argue him keeping Gano over Butker and extending Gano in 2018 hurt us in the long run after 2017 because of the salary implications, but 2017 is the one year that it pretty obviously did not hurt us lol.

KB? Really? That trade was a boss move...KB busted out of the league within a year of that. We were objectively a better team without KB...historical team performance suggests there’s a good chance we may not have even made the playoffs in 2017 with KB rostered. So you suggesting KB would have helped us in the playoffs is based off of a faulty premise. As for the terrible quality of the rest of the WR corps...sounds like a previous GM problem to me. He had how many years to get us competent WRs? KB, Funchess, Russell Shepard, Bersin, Byrd, Kaelin Clay...lol. Yeah he drafted Curtis Samuel, too bad he got hurt and it’s the GM’s job to provide quality depth in the event that happens. Does that previous list scream “quality depth” to you?

Nuance is saying “Look at Hurney coming back and taking us to a 7-9 record right off the bat!” while ignoring the fact that we clearly had the roster talent to start off 6-2 before Cam’s arm fell off and Ron refused to put in what appears to be potentially a pretty talented backup in Allen.

[Mr. Scot]

14 minutes ago, Pantherxtreme said:

I agree with most people assessment that this is a make it or break it year for Ron.

On the flip side a question for you, if Rivera somehow gets this team into the post season with a backup Qb after starting 0-2 would you still be of the belief that Tepper needs to wipe the slate clean?

I don't trust Marty Hurney on a long-term basis.

I can accept giving Rivera a chance to work with a better GM given that he looked better when Gettleman was here.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

5 hours ago, Toomers said:

Yes. Because questioning moves by a singular organization is comparable to every organizations combined analysis of value. Good call

Oh trust me.  I get it.  We hate our GM.

Hurney could come out and say "the sky is blue" and many people's immediate response would be "Actually the sky is light blue, and this just goes to show why Hurney should be fired"

Right now there is a mentality of whatever Hurney does, he should be fired for.  Period.  

"No proper GM would order that coffee from Starbucks.  Fire Hurney".

[Mr. Scot]

33 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Oh trust me.  I get it.  We hate our GM.

You actually don't get it at all.

Thinking somebody isn't good at their job isn't "hate". Hate is a personal feeling. Evaluating someone's job performance is an analysis.

I don't hate Marty Hurney. I don't hate Ron Rivera. I don't hate Jimmy Clausen. I don't hate Matt Kalil. Hell, I don't even hate Pauly Shore. I have no reason to hate any of them.

I just happen to think all of them are really bad at what they do.

So nope, no hate involved. But then, "You just hate them" is generally what people resort to here when they can't think of anything actually worthwhile to say, so I've heard it before.

[MasterAwesome]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You actually don't get it at all.

Thinking somebody isn't good at their job isn't "hate". Hate is a personal feeling. Evaluating someone's job performance is an analysis.

I don't hate Marty Hurney. I don't hate Ron Rivera. I don't hate Jimmy Clausen. I don't hate Matt Kalil. Hell, I don't even hate Pauly Shore. I have no reason to hate any of them.

I just happen to think all of them are really bad at what they do.

So nope, no hate involved. But then, "You just hate them" is generally what people resort to here when they can't think of anything actually worthwhile to say, so I've heard it before.

“I don’t f&$&ing hate that piece of sh$& dumba&$ Hurney!!”...Lol. I was actually willing to give you the benefit of the doubt until you went on multiple emotionally-charged, profanity-laced tirades. Ya slipped up, dawg. 
 

“Case in point”, am I right? I’m always 5 steps ahead of you

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You actually don't get it at all

The thing is, whatever Hurney does people find a reason why its "wrong", often to contradictory levels.  I constantly see people complain about Hurney/Rivera for both sides of the same issue.  Regardless of action taken.

Examples:

Hurney and Rivera rely too much on stars.

Hurney and Rivera don't rely enough on their stars.

Hurney and Rivera will only play vets.

Hurney and Rivera are going to overplay our rookies.

Hurney and Rivera abuse the injury report system by never reporting anyone.

Hurney and Rivera abuse the injury report system by overly reporting everyone.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So nope, no hate involved. But then, "You just hate them" is generally what people resort to here when they can't think of anything actually worthwhile to say, so I've heard it before

Obviously I am talking about the general consensus of the boards.  I am sure some people can make non emotional, well thought out complaints.  But its fairly rare.  Sorta like people that are unable to look at what Hurney is doing right now, and only focus on what he did 5 years ago.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

The thing is, whatever Hurney does people find a reason why its "wrong", often to contradictory levels.  I constantly see people complain about Hurney/Rivera for both sides of the same issue.  Regardless of action taken.

Examples:

Hurney and Rivera rely too much on stars.

Hurney and Rivera don't rely enough on their stars.

Hurney and Rivera will only play vets.

Hurney and Rivera are going to overplay our rookies.

Hurney and Rivera abuse the injury report system by never reporting anyone.

Hurney and Rivera abuse the injury report system by overly reporting everyone.

Obviously I am talking about the general consensus of the boards.  I am sure some people can make non emotional, well thought out complaints.  But its fairly rare.  Sorta like people that are unable to look at what Hurney is doing right now, and only focus on what he did 5 years ago.

I can't speak for everybody else, but one of the problems in the NFL and in general is that there are a lot of ways to do something wrong.

Sometimes you should favor the veteran. Sometimes you should favor the rookie.

Sometimes you should be aggressive. Sometimes you should be conservative.

Sometimes you should give a player time to work things out. Sometimes you should know he just can't cut it.

In every one of those situations and a million more, neither of the two options presented is always the right or always the wrong answer.

With that said, if you've spent enough time in the workforce you've probably met at least one person that, no matter what choice they made, more often than not it turned out to be the wrong one. They didn't necessarily make the same mistake every time, but they did all too frequently make mistakes.

In order to be bad at a job, you don't have to be wrong every time. You just have to be wrong enough, or or wrong more often than you're right.

That's how I view Rivera.

Now personally, I root for him because I think he's a genuine good guy. I'd love nothing more than to see the light finally come on and him become an elite head coach.

But hoping for something like that to happen and believing that it's going to happen are two very different things.

[Toomers]

3 hours ago, MasterAwesome said:

If you took a deep breath from being triggered and actually read my post...it’s pretty obvious I was using the “6-10 -> 11-5” as a blatant example of pushing a narrative excluding nuance. I would not give Hurney credit (at least majority credit) for the 11-5 season, although your logic is pretty terrible. How did keeping Gano hurt us in 2017 when he was objectively a top kicker that year...leading the league in FG%? You can definitely argue him keeping Gano over Butker and extending Gano in 2018 hurt us in the long run after 2017 because of the salary implications, but 2017 is the one year that it pretty obviously did not hurt us lol.

KB? Really? That trade was a boss move...KB busted out of the league within a year of that. We were objectively a better team without KB...historical team performance suggests there’s a good chance we may not have even made the playoffs in 2017 with KB rostered. So you suggesting KB would have helped us in the playoffs is based off of a faulty premise. As for the terrible quality of the rest of the WR corps...sounds like a previous GM problem to me. He had how many years to get us competent WRs? KB, Funchess, Russell Shepard, Bersin, Byrd, Kaelin Clay...lol. Yeah he drafted Curtis Samuel, too bad he got hurt and it’s the GM’s job to provide quality depth in the event that happens. Does that previous list scream “quality depth” to you?

Nuance is saying “Look at Hurney coming back and taking us to a 7-9 record right off the bat!” while ignoring the fact that we clearly had the roster talent to start off 6-2 before Cam’s arm fell off and Ron refused to put in what appears to be potentially a pretty talented backup in Allen.

 Make believe you said(or meant) whatever you want. I just reacted to the BS you posted. 

  And I specifically stated why Gano(3M in savings in 2017 alone) for similar results. Not too mention the future of throwing away another 12M on him. And not having KB in the end of the season hurt bad. No matter how much you want to spin it. He ain’t much but he’s damn sure better than Bersin, Clay, Shepard, Fraizer and hurt Funchess. All for Rashaan Gaulden. What a steal. We should be proud. 

 You keep on “nuancing” and I’ll stick with what actually happened. Or you could stop talking in riddles and say what you actually mean for once. 

    

[panthers55]

5 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

Williams is really much better suited st guard. 

Yeah he doesn't have the athleticism to be able to move quick enough to match speed edge rushers 

[raz]

5 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't trust Marty Hurney on a long-term basis.

I can accept giving Rivera a chance to work with a better GM given that he looked better when Gettleman was here.

no mr scot, don't get worn down.   what you said about him learning too late and taking the wrong lesson is as correct a description of him as i've ever read

[Peon Awesome]

So back to the original point of the thread... for those clamoring for Moton on the left, what's your plan for right tackle? Count me among those who think trying Daley at left tackle makes more sense. We're already dealing with Turner being out on the right so having some stability with Moton out there seems wiser than hoping that whatever benefit you get from Moton playing on the left over Daley will outweigh the drop off from replacing Moton with Williams or Daley on the right. We're assuming Moton will just seamlessly adjust to playing on the opposite side because he did well there in 1 game over a year ago? I'd rather leave the other 4 positions of the line alone and feel comfortable there and only have 1 position to worry about, and then you can always slide a tight end there for extra help if needed. This line has had little continuity due to injuries and new players coming in. Let's not make that even worse.

Now if it becomes clear that Little is going to be out for an extended period and Daley struggles mightily, then consider testing new line combinations during the bye week and see if anything sticks. But that's a couple big ifs.