Daley at LT?

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Pantherxtreme said:

We did goto the playoffs in 17 we were heading there in 18 until wheels fell off. 2019 roster is probably the most well rounded we've had, if we can get solid QB play we should able to contend with anyone in the NFC. 

Who ran the draft and free agency in 2017 again?

[LinvilleGorge]

2 hours ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

To be fair..isn't this entire board dedicated to people allegedly being smarter than GMs, etc?

I mean, this entire thread is based on being smarter and more ahead of the game than the Panthers GM.

Not all GMs, just our GMs. Unfortunately, sometimes that feels like an awfully low bar to clear.

[Pantherxtreme]

The key players in all of those playoff runs Cam, Kalil, Olson, Stewart, Davis, Johnson, Kuechly, Norman, Addison, etc. What do they have in common along with the great coaching?

I'm the type of person that gives credit where its due though Gettleman improved the interior of the dline with the drafting of Star and Kk that solidified the defense. Currently CMC, Shaq, Bradberry, Samuel are coming into their own as players. Again when you look at the landscape of this division the Panthers are on the rise.

Falcons on the verge of blowing it all up. Brees only has so much longer. The Bucs are the Bucs and Carolina has a core of young talented stars on both sides of the ball.  People who want to blow the whole thing up are very short sighted.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Pantherxtreme said:

The key players in all of those playoff runs Cam, Kalil, Olson, Stewart, Davis, Johnson, Kuechly, Norman, Addison, etc. What do they have in common along with the great coaching?

I'm the type of person that gives credit where its due though Gettleman improved the interior of the dline with the drafting of Star and Kk that solidified the defense. Currently CMC, Shaq, Bradberry, Samuel are coming into their own as players. Again when you look at the landscape of this division the Panthers are on the rise. Falcons on the verge of blowing it all up. Brees only has so much longer. The Bucs are the Bucs and Carolina has a core of young talented stars on both sides of the ball.  People like who wanna blow the whole thing up are very short sighted.

Yet Hurney had all those good players too and couldn't win anything with them.

You're basically trying to make an argument that Rivera was being held back by a GM, yet blaming the GM under which he had his most successful years as the one that held him back while propping up the GM under which he's had nothing but losing seasons.

It's a ridiculous argument.

[Mr. Scot]

19 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Not all GMs, just our GMs. Unfortunately, sometimes that feels like an awfully low bar to clear.

Pretty much.

I get why people appeal to the "professionals are smarter than us" idea. It's just a really really weak argument.

Heck, Matt Millen was a professional. So was Marty Mornhinweg. Hell, even the guy who traded away a motherlode of picks for Herschel Walker whose name I'd have to look up was a professional.

Being paid a lot of money to do a job doesn't guarantee that you're good at it. It only means that somebody thinks you are.

Unfortunately, the person who thinks that might not be very good at their job either.

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Pretty much.

I get why people appeal to the "professionals are smarter than us" idea. It's just a really really weak argument.

Heck, Matt Millen was a professional. So was Marty Mornhinweg. Hell, even the guy who traded away a motherlode of picks for Herschel Walker whose name I'd have to look up was a professional.

Being paid a lot of money to do a job doesn't guarantee that you're good at it. It only means that somebody thinks you are.

Unfortunately, the person who thinks that might not be very good at their job either.

The only time I don't think it's a weak argument is when arguing against well established league-wide trends. 

But also, to speak to your point specifically, being great at your job doesn't mean that you can't make some really dumb mistakes sometimes. Belichick has made a lot of bad picks over the years, he's just overall good enough at his job(s) that those mistakes haven't cost them.

[Pantherxtreme]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yet Hurney had all those good players too and couldn't win anything with them.

You're basically trying to make an argument that Rivera was being held back by a GM, yet blaming the GM under which he had his most successful years as the one that held him back while propping up the GM under which he's had nothing but losing seasons.

It's a ridiculous argument.

Hurney had two years with Rivera, two rebuilding years before he was let go, mostly due to his prior failings in the Fox era. His firing was warranted. Gettleman walked into a great situation with a talented team learning how to win. He made some good moves snd some horrible ones. Rivera and staff deserve a lot of credit from turning around this franshise from the laughing stock it was 2010 circa. 

[pantherclaw]

13 hours ago, panthers55 said:

I think Matso likes Moton on the right. I guess the analytics guy must of told him the right side is most important especially when they roll Allen to the right.  I hope Daley  does a good job at LT with some help and gameplanning. Little doesn't seem to be able to avoid concussions and this time he will be out for some time I fear. For all those folks wanting Williams at right tackle just remember how much help he needed on the right side as well with speed rushers.

Williams is really much better suited st guard. 

[raz]

6 minutes ago, Pantherxtreme said:

Hurney had two years with Rivera, two rebuilding years before he was let go, mostly due to his prior failings in the Fox era. His firing was warranted. Gettleman walked into a great situation with a talented team learning how to win. He made some good moves snd some horrible ones. Rivera and staff deserve a lot of credit from turning around this franshise from the laughing stock it was 2010 circa. 

he also should get a lot of credit for ruining our superbowl by ordering shula to stop putting new plays in, run from current formations.   told him we didn't need it, what we did worked.   they laughed all the way to a superbowl we could have won.

[Toomers]

6 minutes ago, Pantherxtreme said:

Hurney had two years with Rivera, two rebuilding years before he was let go, mostly due to his prior failings in the Fox era. His firing was warranted. Gettleman walked into a great situation with a talented team learning how to win. He made some good moves snd some horrible ones. Rivera and staff deserve a lot of credit from turning around this franshise from the laughing stock it was 2010 circa. 

He had two rebuilding years because he drove this team to be the worst in the NFL. And Gettleman had to deal with 50M in dead cap space while building a SB team. 

 51-29-1 4 playoff appearances  

22-32. 

  Who was holding who back? It’s amazing how winning is all that matters until it interferes with an agenda. 

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, Pantherxtreme said:

Hurney had two years with Rivera, two rebuilding years before he was let go, mostly due to his prior failings in the Fox era. His firing was warranted. Gettleman walked into a great situation with a talented team learning how to win. He made some good moves snd some horrible ones. Rivera and staff deserve a lot of credit from turning around this franshise from the laughing stock it was 2010 circa. 

Yeah, I know. I know. Everything good is because of Hurney. Everything bad is because of Gettleman. And it's everybody's fault but Rivera's.

Sheesh 

I mean it's amazing that we were able to get Hurney back here with all the demand there was for him around the league, right?

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Toomers said:

He had two rebuilding years because he drove this team to be the worst in the NFL. And Gettleman had to deal with 50M in dead cap space while building a SB team. 

 51-29-1 4 playoff appearances  

22-32. 

  Who was holding who back? It’s amazing how winning is all that matters until it interferes with an agenda. 

Pretty much.

I used to argue against people who said that our fanbase was satisfied with mediocrity, but I can't really make that argument anymore.

The amount of time that people put into defending a coach and GM who have a sub 50% winning percentage just boggles my mind.

[Mr. Scot]

25 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The only time I don't think it's a weak argument is when arguing against well established league-wide trends. 

But also, to speak to your point specifically, being great at your job doesn't mean that you can't make some really dumb mistakes sometimes. Belichick has made a lot of bad picks over the years, he's just overall good enough at his job(s) that those mistakes haven't cost them.

It's like I said elsewhere. If you're going to appeal to an authority, at least choose a successful one.

Wanna cite Belichick as a professional? That at least makes some sense.

Citing Mike McCagnan? Not so much.

[Pantherxtreme]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah, I know. I know. Everything good is because of Hurney. Everything bad is because of Gettleman. And it's everybody's fault but Rivera's.

Sheesh 

I mean it's amazing that we were able to get Hurney back here with all the demand there was for him around the league, right?

Yes I know Gettleman is the goat GM. He inherited a team void of talent and poor coaching and his smarts led us to a 17-1 season and Super Bowl appearance.