Speculation is Cam will start after the bye.

[MVPccaffrey]

If Peyton can hold a clipboard for Osweiler, Cam can hold one for Allen if his winning streak continues.

[panthers55]

20 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

no franchise in the NFL is going to play the hottest hand over the best player.

What if your hottest hand is the best player at that time? You don't get points for the past only the present. Who is to say Cam is better now?

[Mr. Scot]

55 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

THIS.

Montana ---> Young, Favre ---> Rodgers, P. Manning ---> Luck type situations are extremely rare. Most teams go through a period of floundering after losing a franchise QB.

Yeah, Raz has a valid point on this.

I'm coming up on 50 years as a football fan. I long ago lost count of how many favorite players I've seen ride off into the sunset. Most of them without happy endings, and several of them feeling disrespected.

I suppose I'm just kind of numb to it at this point, but it's fair to say that for a lot of people this might be a new thing.

I don't know how Cam Newton's story is going to end. Like I said, I've seen way too many careers come to an ending that was more Grimm's fairy tale than fairy tale. I do still hope for the best, I hust don't expect it.

Maybe I sound cynical, but I come by it honest.

[panthers55]

17 minutes ago, joeyxfresco said:

There’s no changing of the guard yet though. The only people who are ready to move on from Cam are the fans who wanted DA start every time Cam got sacked or had an incompletion. 
 

Also, miss me with the post-Delhomme fan talk. I don’t think there was a fan more excited about a change than I was during the Moore/Clausen days. There’s a huge difference between 2009 Delhomme and 2019 Cam. 

Actually there isn't a big difference unless Cam comes back 100% and that is still to be determined.  Jake and Cam both have succumbed to injuries. The only question is whether Cam's shoulder injury is temporary or permanent.

[mc52beast]

14 hours ago, GoPanthers123 said:

One question though. If it was just foot that was injured why did he overthrow the receivers by so much?  I have a feeling we are still not getting the full picture.

You do realize that being able to plant your feet is a big part of throwing a accurate ball?

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah, Raz has a valid point on this.

I'm coming up on 50 years as a football fan. I long ago lost count of how many favorite players I've seen ride off into the sunset. Most of them without happy endings, and several of them feeling disrespected.

I suppose I'm just kind of numb to it at this point, but it's fair to say that for a lot of people this might be a new thing.

I don't know how Cam Newton's story is going to end. Like I said, I've seen way too many careers come to an ending that was more Grimm's fairy tale than fairy tale. I do still hope for the best, I hust don't expect it.

Maybe I sound cynical, but I come by it honest.

Yep. Elway, Peyton Manning, and Jerome Bettis are the exceptions, not the norm. The Eli Manning/Jake Delhomme type downward spirals are the norm. I mean, it's hard to blame the players. They're still young in the game of life and it's gotta be hard and maybe even downright scary to walk from everything you've ever known in your mid-late 30s, not to mention leaving all those millions on the table. 

With the money where it is now and every new study on CTE looking worse than the last one, you gotta start wondering if Andrew Luck type situations may become more common. Maybe not the norm, but also maybe not a huge shock in the future. If these guys are set for life many times over financially and they've taken enough damage to where the game is no longer fun for them plus they have legit concerns over their future health, why keep playing?

[TheRed]

30 minutes ago, raz said:

but your whining is 

I've supported Panthers QB's from Jake Delhomme, to Chris Weinke, to Stefon LeFors, to Brett Basanez, to Jimmy Clausen, to Vinny Testaverde, the list goes on.

Even recently within the last several months fans were trying to diminish Allen's win against the Saints and I stood up for him. Even Grier in preseason when fans were calling him a bust.

You want so hard to shoehorn people into only "Cam fans" but it just isn't working because you don't actually know what you are talking about.

[raz]

24 minutes ago, TheRed said:

I've supported Panthers QB's from Jake Delhomme, to Chris Weinke, to Stefon LeFors, to Brett Basanez, to Jimmy Clausen, to Vinny Testaverde, the list goes on.

Even recently within the last several months fans were trying to diminish Allen's win against the Saints and I stood up for him. Even Grier in preseason when fans were calling him a bust.

You want so hard to shoehorn people into only "Cam fans" but it just isn't working because you don't actually know what you are talking about.

i've never thought you were a cam only fan.   they do exist here.  i hope you realize i'm not anti-cam.  i'm only intermittently angry with him now for costing us 2 games, unlike when his vid dropped and i was pissed off as hell. 

[steven8989]

1 hour ago, uncfan888 said:

I'm convinced you're not very smart. Truth hurts

I just love how you use my sentence to try and make urs better.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

i stand corrected.  

I didn't realize that 230 yards and 2.5 fumbles game (2 lost per game) is the stat line of a hot hand.  I have seen the light, and this is the person we need to bet it all on.

Why would we ever consider a change?

All we need to do is ride that momentum, hope and pray CMC's back doesnt get hurt from carrying the offense, and the defense balls out every single game with no breakdowns.

I would be willing to bet if Allen had 0 fumbles and a handful of INTs we'd be here saying "He has amazing pocket awareness and the ability to not lose the ball when the offensive line breaks down.  You can't teach that. Not underthrowing his receivers will come with practice and is expected as a new QB gets used to the speed of the NFL"

[TheRed]

13 minutes ago, raz said:

i've never thought you were a cam only fan.   they do exist here.  i hope you realize i'm not anti-cam.  i'm only intermittently angry with him now for costing us 2 games, unlike when his vid dropped and i was pissed off as hell. 

We missed out on 10 points alone in the first quarter against the defending champions in the Rams and still almost won it. As for the Bucs, did you see what they did to that same Rams team in LA? We also could have and should have beaten them.

It's impossible to know if Allen would have led us to victory in the first two games. Odds wouldn't be in his favor because Greg Little was in the concussion protocol and left tackle was not looking good at that time to say the absolute least. But again there is no way to know, and attempting to blame Newton for dealing with an injury and playing is just petty and stupid. There's no way around that.

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

i stand corrected.  

I didn't realize that 230 yards and 2.5 fumbles game (2 lost per game) is the stat line of a hot hand.  I have seen the light, and this is the person we need to bet it all on.

Why would we ever consider a change?

All we need to do is ride that momentum, hope and pray CMC's back doesnt get hurt from carrying the offense, and the defense balls out every single game with no breakdowns.

I would be willing to bet if Allen had 0 fumbles and a handful of INTs we'd be here saying "He has amazing pocket awareness and the ability to not lose the ball when the offensive line breaks down.  You can't teach that. Not underthrowing his receivers will come with practice and is expected as a new QB gets used to the speed of the NFL"

2-0 is the primary stat that matters. A lot of folks don't really give a sh-t about any of the others

Allen had one subpar game and one spectacular one. Yet even in the subpar game, he pulled it out at the end.

I said elsewhere it reminded me a lot of Jake Delhomme's first two games. Hell, up through like week eight or nine of the 2003 season, we had people saying they should give Chris Weinke a chance.

Allen is still defining himself at this point. What he'll ultimately be, we don't yet know. I do know that if people had written off Jake after the poor showing his second game, they'd have missed out on a lot of good memories.

[steven8989]

16 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

i stand corrected.  

I didn't realize that 230 yards and 2.5 fumbles game (2 lost per game) is the stat line of a hot hand.  I have seen the light, and this is the person we need to bet it all on.

Why would we ever consider a change?

All we need to do is ride that momentum, hope and pray CMC's back doesnt get hurt from carrying the offense, and the defense balls out every single game with no breakdowns.

I would be willing to bet if Allen had 0 fumbles and a handful of INTs we'd be here saying "He has amazing pocket awareness and the ability to not lose the ball when the offensive line breaks down.  You can't teach that. Not underthrowing his receivers will come with practice and is expected as a new QB gets used to the speed of the NFL"

Hey how about pull up a game where Cam had 3 or more turnovers and still won the game. I will be waiting awhile, that's because he would still be on the sideline . Allen don't let stuff bother him that's the kind of QB u want.

[top dawg]

At this point, speculation is purely speculation. It's a foot injury. Even turf toe can cause a player to be out many weeks.