N/P: Breaking News: Gov. Gavin Newsom of California will sign a bill to let college athletes make endorsement deals

[kungfoodude]

12 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

This isn't about education, it is about an archaic  business model.

But....but....but...."student" athletes say the NCAA!!!!

[raz]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Lol. I mean college basketball "benefits" have extended as long as college basketball has existed. In fairness, I have never personally heard that he was directly involved with anything but boosters certainly were.

they always are

[Jacabee]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Lol. I mean college basketball "benefits" have extended as long as college basketball has existed. In fairness, I have never personally heard that he was directly involved with anything but boosters certainly were.

This hits on another good point. Compensation is happening constantly outside of the rules. It's inevitable when you have a business raking in millions but the individuals earning it make nothing. How do you attract the best talent to your operation?

[Ncpantherfan71]

If the university is going to start paying players, the scholarships for sports should be a thing of the past.

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, Ncpantherfan71 said:

If the university is going to start paying players, the scholarships for sports should be a thing of the past.

Paying the players is probably not going to happen, nor should it. The best remedy was to do as California did and allow them the rights to make money on their likeness. 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

5 minutes ago, Ncpantherfan71 said:

If the university is going to start paying players, the scholarships for sports should be a thing of the past.

The CA law is about endorsement deals, not universities paying student athletes. 

[Ncpantherfan71]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Paying the players is probably not going to happen, nor should it. The best remedy was to do as California did and allow them the rights to make money on their likeness. 

What is the difference on who is actually writing the checks.  Nike and other places will push or sign a majority of players to certain schools.

 

Stop scholarships to athletes who do not care about school and are using college only as a stepping stone and give them to students who want an actual education but can't afford it.

[Bartin]

2 minutes ago, Ncpantherfan71 said:

What is the difference on who is actually writing the checks.  Nike and other places will push or sign a majority of players to certain schools.

 

Stop scholarships to athletes who do not care about school and are using college only as a stepping stone and give them to students who want an actual education but can't afford it.

Title IX is the difference. Any amount paid to a male athlete must also be paid to a female athlete. The reason there are so many women’s sports team is because colleges have to offset the number of scholarships given to football players.

[Jacabee]

You're alluding that scholarships are adequate compensation. 

Pure capitalism requires massaging the myth that cost is the output of supply and demand based on equal bargaining power. 

More often than not, in this context, that bolded part is a fiction. For NFL-caliber athletes, the commitment required, they have no choice but to go to college (and probably need to go to a great one to get drafted consummate with their capability and get paid accordingly).

Scholarship money is not liquidated money; it's a token for the drafted. 

It's a delicate matter. There are those for whom scholarship gives them exactly what they need and playing college football is the seg

 

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Ncpantherfan71 said:

What is the difference on who is actually writing the checks.  Nike and other places will push or sign a majority of players to certain schools.

The difference is that once you start paying revenue athletes, you will have to start paying non revenue athletes. Once that happens, the entire house of cards crumbles. Shoe companies may entice athletes to go to certain schools but at the end of the day, they also can poach them no matter what school they end up going to. It's a much better deal for shoe companies.

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Stop scholarships to athletes who do not care about school and are using college only as a stepping stone and give them to students who want an actual education but can't afford it.

Most NCAA athletes do, in fact, care about school. The amount of players you are referring to is probably a pretty small minority of the actual amount of NCAA scholarship athletes. So to remove athletic scholarships would, in fact, harm students. Additionally, those scholarships come from the athletic department budget for the most part, if not completely.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Jacabee said:

You're alluding that scholarships are adequate compensation. 

Pure capitalism requires massaging the myth that cost is the output of supply and demand based on equal bargaining power. 

More often than not, in this context, that bolded part is a fiction. For NFL-caliber athletes, the commitment required, they have no choice but to go to college (and probably need to go to a great one to get drafted consummate with their capability and get paid accordingly).

Scholarship money is not liquidated money; it's a token for the drafted. 

It's a delicate matter. There are those for whom scholarship gives them exactly what they need and playing college football is the seg

 

Not to mention that they are there to keep the jobs of their highly paid coaches, so the academics will always play second fiddle in revenue sports. 

[SBiii]

2 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Because the path through that slavery has a small but non zero chance to lead to wealth on the other side. Indentured servitude might be a better term because it generally was for a defined period of time. I will freely submit that term might be the better descriptor.

You really believe all this drivel?

[jumpman910]

9 minutes ago, Ncpantherfan71 said:

Stop scholarships to athletes who do not care about school and are using college only as a stepping stone and give them to students who want an actual education but can't afford it.

Doesn't everyone use college as a stepping stone tho? Even the students who don't like it but know they gotta go...

[Ncpantherfan71]

10 minutes ago, jumpman910 said:

Doesn't everyone use college as a stepping stone tho? Even the students who don't like it but know they gotta go...

Yes they do, but they do the school work for their degree.  

I actually do think a scholarship is fair compensation.   I have a daughter attending Washington University getting her masters in special needs education.  I am very thankful she was able to qualify for a state program where they pay for her school because I could not afford to now that my son is in college at NC State.   They both should graduate with less than $10,000 in student debt.