Another good year by Peppers = Trade for a 1st?

[ownermode bm]

Ive been noticing the same my man. It seems that about 60 percent of the sacks come from browns pursuit. He is always making the qb move in another direction. If not over its up in the pocket. This guy is gonna be a damn beast. I say we pick up another speedy rusher in the draft next year. He also is playing the run decent and is strong.

[Pantherman]

News flash to some of you. Most of peppers sacks this season has come off of crappy teams who has bad olines and bad QBs. Nothing surprising there that peppers would get most of his sacks off of them. Lets hould our thanks for peppers play until he can prove that he can do as good agaist better teams then the bucs and redskins. If peppers plays well agaist the saints and cards and so on. Then he might be resigned. But since he is turning 31. That might be up to the next GM and HC.

[Kevin Greene]

Do we trade Peppers this offseason for a 1st round pick? I can't stress how stupid it was to trade our 2010 1st rounder...trading a first for a second rounder just isn't smart.

So say Peppers has a big year. We slap the tag on him again. Is Peppers going anywhere this year? I'd say we trade him for a high 1st round pick, maybe even for our own pick back with the 49ers, and draft a QB. Surely if that happens Fox and Hurney will be gone, so why not??

Let's review last offseason people. If Peppers signed his FT contract early we could trade him wherever we want (Such as Cassell going to the Chiefs) and he wants control where he goes. That's why he didn't sign last year until long after the draft and Hurney puked and traded away our first in order to draft Brown with a 2nd.

Nothing will change this year, Peppers' agent won't find any suitors again, same as last year.

The Panthers must let Peppers walk and be satisfied with the $20 million dollars in cap space letting him go will bring if he doesn't sign a reralistic contract here. Hopefully a new GM will see the light.

[Guild]

News flash to some of you. Most of peppers sacks this season has come off of crappy teams who has bad olines and bad QBs.

Par for the course.

[Pantherman]

I don't think that we are in great need at enough positions to justify trading Peppers. Especially if next year is uncapped.

:cuss: Why does everyone think with uncap year means unlimited money source. I don't think so. Uncap year means every team will have different amounts of money according to what have brought in the franchise by TV airtime and tickets sales and so on. Some teams like the skins may have tons of money because the skins are a big market in tv coverage. Unlike the panthers are in a lot smaller sv market which would make it more harder to compete with teams like the pats skins and so on when it comes to sigining FAs. As to wear skins can offer one FA alot more money then we could afford to. It all depends on the that team revenue for the year. Every team will have different cash amunt they can afford to spend. Some teams will have mroe then others. Why do people think Yankees have won 26 world serias over the years. Mainly no capped league and Yankees have a big TV market across the country. Why other teams in Baseball can hardly get to the playoffs because one temas has all the talent because of money. thats why I really don't want to see a uncap year. So of these bigger teams could get all of the talent why other small teams like the panthers suffer from not having that kind of money flow.

[Udogg]

News flash to some of you. Most of peppers sacks this season has come off of crappy teams who has bad olines and bad QBs.

That could be said about a lot of players. For instance Jared Allen looked all world against that LT for Green Bay. Think he got 4.5 sacks that game. But right now GB is giving up a ton of sacks. That doesn't mean Jared Allen isn't a top 3 DE, it just means that he exposes weaker tackles for big sack days. I think since that GB game he has only gotten 1 sack. Overall it appears that Peppers has put forth more effort, but as you say, we won't know until Sunday against a better team. I personally would be satisfied with the effort and some pressure. He may be more natural on the left side, but he is bringing lots of pressure from the right.

[Udogg]

Also I figure if Peppers has a monster year lets say 15+ sacks. Someone like Jerry Jones, Al Davis, or Daniel Snyder may offer a huge payday plus we get some picks out of it. If not, then we will probably get somewhere around a 2nd/3rd round pick from some other team. Or a 5th/6th round pick from Belicek . Uncapped or not, there is no way, no matter who the GM that we pay him 20+ mill.

[Mesmer]

Well you could be a mindless drone and look at the back of a player card and see what he has...

Or....

You could actually watch Peppers play and realize that he's just not disruptive. He gets there sometimes against bad tackles. Sure, so does everyone. Jared Allen was mentioned. Of course he dominated that poor tackle in Green Bay and padded his stats.

However, great defensive ends are disruptive on every play. If you can't make the sack, you have to make them feel your presence. The league's best defensive ends do this, and their effect is felt throughout the entire contest.

Peppers does not, and that's why he's not even in the same ballpark.

[unicar15]

If Peppers plays well enough to warrant a first round pick then we need to go ahead and trade him. If we don't have a quarterback then we don't have a chance and a first round QB is what we need. Peppers makes our defense what it is but it is a lot easier to teach a guy to rush the passer (or to find the next great pass rusher) than it is to teach a guy to run a team.

Clausen, Bradford, and Locker are all going to be first round picks...

[Pantherman]

Well you could be a mindless drone and look at the back of a player card and see what he has...

Or....

You could actually watch Peppers play and realize that he's just not disruptive. He gets there sometimes against bad tackles. Sure, so does everyone. Jared Allen was mentioned. Of course he dominated that poor tackle in Green Bay and padded his stats.

However, great defensive ends are disruptive on every play. If you can't make the sack, you have to make them feel your presence. The league's best defensive ends do this, and their effect is felt throughout the entire contest.

Peppers does not, and that's why he's not even in the same ballpark.

Agreed. Peppers in the first 3 games didn't do crap but play badly. Some people al of a sudden think peppers is almighty god because he got some sacks agaist bad tackles agaist these crappy teams we have played. Yes he padded his statis with betting crappy olines. But know from here on out Peppers will be facing real good onlines for weeks to come. Starting with the Cards this sunday. Then next sunday will be the saints that I am sure will blast us into orbit in a matter before halftime. But if Pepper can prove he still has heart and an can get pressure on these good QBs play after play and make havock for them in the back field and get sacks why at it win are loss. They I will come back on here and give him praise for it. But I will wait for about 4 games from now before I give him praise just to see if he can do it.

[mmmbeans]

Agreed. Peppers in the first 3 games didn't do crap but play badly. Some people al of a sudden think peppers is almighty god because he got some sacks agaist bad tackles agaist these crappy teams we have played. Yes he padded his statis with betting crappy olines. But know from here on out Peppers will be facing real good onlines for weeks to come. Starting with the Cards this sunday. Then next sunday will be the saints that I am sure will blast us into orbit in a matter before halftime. But if Pepper can prove he still has heart and an can get pressure on these good QBs play after play and make havock for them in the back field and get sacks why at it win are loss. They I will come back on here and give him praise for it. But I will wait for about 4 games from now before I give him praise just to see if he can do it.

you must not have watched the philly game.

[Bigdaddy8523]

I honestly don't think Peppers is leaving. I think he's had a change of heart.He's getting used to our new D and I think he likes it. Flame me if u want but im telling yall it seems like he wants to be in Charlotte by his actions on the field towards the team. He looks like he's glad to be playing here for the 1st time in a little while.

[Udogg]

Well you could be a mindless drone and look at the back of a player card and see what he has...

Or....

You could actually watch Peppers play and realize that he's just not disruptive. He gets there sometimes against bad tackles. Sure, so does everyone. Jared Allen was mentioned. Of course he dominated that poor tackle in Green Bay and padded his stats.

However, great defensive ends are disruptive on every play. If you can't make the sack, you have to make them feel your presence. The league's best defensive ends do this, and their effect is felt throughout the entire contest.

Peppers does not, and that's why he's not even in the same ballpark.

I just don't see Jared Allen as being disruptive on every play as you and others do. I see him make mistakes and lose contain, or just get blocked out of the play on others. Occasionally I even see him single covered and actually blocked, like in the Pittsburgh game from Sunday. He is real demonstrative and has a big motor, but Peppers has a good motor too. I just think we miss stuff like that because of the money he is getting paid. We expect 3 sacks a game sometimes and that's unrealistic. I see players like John Abraham who some would rate as a top 10 DE get manhandled. Even Dwight Freeney, gets pushed out of the way and single covered. I think Strahan in his prime was as disruptive as you say a great defensive end is. Maybe Peppers was in 04. It just seems with decent DT tackle play, Peppers has gotten more disruptive. However what you guys say about not showing up in the big games recently has merit. Hopefully he shows up in Arizona.

[natty]

Peppers won't get traded unless a team gives up a lot for him(more than just a first rounder).