Cam Gives A Detailed Video Update About Why He is Sidelined (Friday Sept 27th)

[SBiii]

4 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Hi.

welcome to 2019 where’s no longer necessary or advisable to stigmatize people for making foolhardy decisions that risk their health and careers at the behest of a testosterone fueled mindset best left in the bygone era that spawned it.

Hola.

The attitude of players and the league toward concussions is certainly a lot better, and rightfully so. 

That said, if you think a bevvy of current NFL players on every team aren't playing injured and thereby risking their future health in order to be available for their team every single week in the 2019 season you are kidding yourself. 

Clearly Cam cannot play in his current condition and him sitting out is the prudent thing to do. 

However, all this whining about him playing in the past when banged up needs to stop, it's part of the job.  If Cam were to jump in and out of the lineup like some folks think he should, his teammates would not respect him.

[raleigh-panther]

1 hour ago, MasterAwesome said:

You do know Rivera’s job is to win games, right? But I guess saying “he’s trying to save his ass” sounds much better for your smear job than “he’s trying to win games”. Nevermind that that’s completely speculative and not at all consistent with how he’s been characterized universally. Let’s play a little game and you tell me which is the non sequitur that does not fit with all the reporting about Ron: 

-Players’ coach

-Extremely nice guy

-Charitable around the community

-Willfully jeopardizes the careers of his players by playing them against their best interests in order to save his job 

I bolded the correct answer for you.

Surely if he’s so blatantly putting his interests before the interests of his players, he will have lost the locker room...right? Or are y’all on the Huddle just so woke and the players are still oblivious to Ron’s nefarious schemes? You’re basically accepting that the players are complicit in this, no?

 

I will simply say that Rivera stood with his arms crossed on sept 2016 at the Denver game while Newton got his head bashed  in 

again

and again

and again

and again 

and again

and again

and did absolutely nothing   Can you imagine Bellinchek, Reich  Reid  or any other halfway aware HC doing that?  One time is all it would have taken for the top tier coaches to put  a stop to it  it was the worst beating I have ever seen  

so my opinion of Rivera isn’t great    he pleads ‘he didn’t see it’  or ‘he didn’t know’  well sorry, as HC, it is his JOB to know   

 

 

[SBiii]

4 hours ago, TheRumGone said:

He’s not man enough to tell his franchise he’s out when he’s obviously hurt because he’s afraid of losing his job. His rationale is 80% (lol) Cam is better than what we saw in preseason with Allen and Grier.  That is pussy poo.

Franchises WANT players who want to play no matter what, they want that in players DNA but part of your job as a coach is to assess short term and long term risks. They all saw him limping in practice, and the coaches all saw him during the game. It is inexcusable and a fireable offense throughout the org imo.

You're living in a fantasy land about how the NFL operates. 

Linked below is an article discussing how players play through pain, it uses a couple of examples of players from 2016. 

The 2 players are Jeremy Maclin (WR, ankle) and Ben Roethlisberger (QB, shoulder).  It was written going into game 2 of the 2016 playoffs and by that point in the season Big Ben was so banged up he never "really threw" until the game day warmups.  Here's a quote from the article:

"Players usually take the shot a couple of hours before kickoff and then go through a simulated warm-up. This is when Big Ben will throw -- and I mean really throw -- while Maclin works out for the trainers and coaches. It's final decision time for those coaching staffs with declaring players active or inactive, and it also allows the injured players to truly test their mobility.

However, even with that shot of "Vitamin T," as players call it, this is still about the player's ability to handle the pain of the injury. It's going to hurt. There's no way around it. For Roethlisberger, this will be a true case of pain management. He won't be close to 100 percent. But at 60-70 percent, does he give the Steelers a chance to win? No doubt. "

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/14564481/how-nfl-players-play-pain

This is what happens in real life in the NFL.

Question, assume Cam were in the same condition as Big Ben (sprained AC joint, torn ligaments)....

....and the team is going into week-2 of the playoffs, you seem to be saying the coaching staff should be required to sit Cam down and play the backup QB...

...is this correct?

[SBiii]

11 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

and again

and did absolutely nothing   Can you imagine Bellinchek, Reich  Reid  or any other halfway aware HC doing that?  One time is all it would have taken for the top tier coaches to put  a stop to it  it was the worst beating I have ever seen 

The game ended 20-21.

What was Ron supposed to do? 

[TheMaulClaw]

2 hours ago, MasterAwesome said:

You do know Rivera’s job is to win games, right? But I guess saying “he’s trying to save his ass” sounds much better for your smear job than “he’s trying to win games”. Nevermind that that’s completely speculative and not at all consistent with how he’s been characterized universally. Let’s play a little game and you tell me which is the non sequitur that does not fit with all the reporting about Ron: 

-Players’ coach

-Extremely nice guy

-Charitable around the community

-Willfully jeopardizes the careers of his players by playing them against their best interests in order to save his job 

I bolded the correct answer for you.

Surely if he’s so blatantly putting his interests before the interests of his players, he will have lost the locker room...right? Or are y’all on the Huddle just so woke and the players are still oblivious to Ron’s nefarious schemes? You’re basically accepting that the players are complicit in this, no?

 

To be fair there is nothing about the NFL that's in the best long term interest of any player physically. Only the money.

[1of10Charnatives]

1 hour ago, SBiii said:

The game ended 20-21.

What was Ron supposed to do? 

crawl all over the refs after the first no call on a blatant helmet to helmet hit and not stop until they put and end to it. I have rather vivid memories of that game and the unending stream of expletives I hurled at the TV over the officiating that literally put Cam's life at risk. Come on dude, if you are a fan and you remember that game, it was that bad. That wasn't football, that was felony level violence.

[SBiii]

2 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

crawl all over the refs after the first no call on a blatant helmet to helmet hit and not stop until they put and end to it. I have rather vivid memories of that game and the unending stream of expletives I hurled at the TV over the officiating that literally put Cam's life at risk. Come on dude, if you are a fan and you remember that game, it was that bad. That wasn't football, that was felony level violence.

Do you think Ron should have just taken Cam out of the game to protect him?

[Black&BlueBubba]

 

 

[1of10Charnatives]

Just now, SBiii said:

Do you think Ron should have just taken Cam out of the game to protect him?

I think the fact Cam felt compelled to go and speak personally to the league commissioner about the way he was being officiated that season says much and more about Ron's failure to protect his qb. If Ron had been not standing on the sidelines with his arms folded in indifference your question might not be a moot point, but since he clearly felt no since of urgency it's hard to say he would even have considered it. I would give the refs an earful and more and if it continued unabated then yes, I would pull my NFL MVP off the field to protect him from harm. But you're probably asking the wrong guy, because if I were in Ron's position and the bad officiating continued, I would have pulled ALL of my starters, put my third stringers in, and let the league deal with the questions of why a Head Coach felt compelled to pull his starters from the field in a season opener.

But 

A) Ron clearly didn't give a fug.

B) Ron would never in a million years think that far outside the box

Given that here we are four years later and our franchise qb's future is questionable at barely 30 and that was easily one of the most violent games he had to endure in his entire career, do I think it was worth it to lose that game by one point at the long term cost to his future? Not even close.

[SBiii]

31 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Given that here we are four years later and our franchise qb's future is questionable at barely 30 and that was easily one of the most violent games he had to endure in his entire career, do I think it was worth it to lose that game by one point at the long term cost to his future? Not even close.

Love your passion for the subject but not buying your argument. 

It was a hard hitting football game and Cam never missed a snap....as Smitty would say, ice up son.

PS....the league and team both released statements saying all the concussion protocol rules had been followed and Cam was repeatedly tested and was fine.

PPS....I would tell you that over time I do believe a lot of players have gone out of their way to give Cam a little extra when possible.  I chalk it up to Cam bringing it on himself with the various juvenile and poorly timed celebrations he has choreographed over the years.

[1of10Charnatives]

10 minutes ago, SBiii said:

Love your passion for the subject but not buying your argument. 

It was a hard hitting football game and Cam never missed a snap....as Smitty would say, ice up son.

PS....the league and team both released statements saying all the concussion protocol rules had been followed and Cam was repeatedly tested and was fine.

PPS....I would tell you that over time I do believe a lot of players have gone out of their way to give Cam a little extra when possible.  I chalk it up to Cam bringing it on himself with the various juvenile and poorly timed celebrations he has choreographed over the years.

Someone's celebrations being an excuse to hit them in a way that is clearly outside the rules and puts their health at risk is an argument I don't buy. It's blame the victim mentality and it belongs discarded in the dust bin of ways we used to think but now know better.

As regarding pronouncements by the league and team, you mean the same league who's refs failed to call a fair game? That league? The league that hid and ignored brain trauma information that highly suggested it's players were at far greater risk than publicly acknowledged, you trust that league's pronouncements implicitly? 

And the same team and organization that just two weeks ago told us Cam's foot was fine, he was good to go, you trust their pronouncements implicitly as well? 

Regardless, my point wasn't about medical testing, but about what I saw on the field of play. How it was officiated and how the head coach reacted to it. We can go on about what the league or the team said after the fact, but the reality is we're sitting here with a franchise qb who's career is potentially cut significantly short of typical franchise qb length. If you've watched his career to this point, are you really gonna argue from a position that officiating which left him insufficiently protected within the established rules, and an organization which did little about it but continue to trot him out week after week aren't factors?

Bottom line, Cam has taken far more physical abuse than he should have, and saying he deserved it because of his celebrations in a league where everybody not named Barry Sanders celebrates touchdowns is a non starter with me. Why does everybody pretend to agree that all the rules should be applied evenly at all times to every player and then go "yeah but..."?  Yeah but and anything like it that excuses or dissembles on behalf of such behavior and the failure to officiate it evenly is nonsense. It's saying that when Ed (eff you Ed Hochuli) tells Cam he doesn't get that call, it's okay because *insert bs excuse here*

You either believe in the fair and impartial enforcement of rules in all cases or you don't. You believe that it is incumbent on players to play within the rules and if they fail to do so that there are consequences, regardless of circumstance, player committing infraction or player it's committed against. There is no gray area on this one.

[SBiii]

20 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Someone's celebrations being an excuse to hit them in a way that is clearly outside the rules and puts their health at risk is an argument I don't buy.

You might not like it but it's a fact of life in the NFL. 

Conduct yourself poorly in MLB and you're gonna get a fastball in your ear-hole.  It's not legal, but it's damn sure part of the game. 

Act like a buffoon in the NFL and your opponents are going to give you a little extra every chance they can.

NFL football is a very fast game played by elite athletes on a very large field....and on every play there are going to be rules infractions which are missed by the ref's. 

Just like in MLB, NFL players are trying to get every edge they can during every moment of every game.....often their actions are outside the rules and VERY often they are not caught.  

That's the reality. 

PS....the solution is -- play harder.  (and don't act like a buffoon)

 

[1of10Charnatives]

1 minute ago, SBiii said:

You might not like it but it's a fact of life in the NFL. 

Conduct yourself poorly in MLB and you're gonna get a fastball in your ear-hole.  It's not legal, but it's damn sure part of the game. 

Act like a buffoon in the NFL and your opponents are going to give you a little extra every chance they can.

NFL football is a very fast game played by elite athletes on a very large field....and on every play there are going to be rules infractions which are missed by the ref's. 

Just like in MLB, NFL players are trying to get every edge they can during every moment of every game.....often their actions are outside the rules and VERY often they are not caught.  

That's the reality. 

 

I'm not talking about the human factor of expecting perfection from the refs, human error is legitimately part of the game and a red herring as an argument. I'm talking about Cam getting blasted with a blatant helmet to helmet hit when he's the guy with the ball, it's in the open field, and there is absolutely positively no excuse NONE WHATSOEVER for a competent official to miss the call. You miss that kind of call and there are exactly two possiblities: you're not calling the game fair or you're professionally incompetent. Neither is acceptable. That's what I saw on multiple plays in the Denver game. You're continuing to excuse the player behavior and the unacceptable officiating that lets it persist as "part of the game".

If the leagues stopped tolerating this juvenile bush league 5th grade school yard mentality from grown men who are supposed to be professionals, it would go away, but they don't, and everyone shrugging their shoulders and saying "It's part of the game" is a factor in why they don't feel any need to. Getting your bell rung and continuing to play used to be just "part of the game" too. Nonsense persists until people decide not to put up with it anymore. Headshotting your opponent because you don't like his TD celebration is the buffoonery, not the other way around, and any argument to the contrary is excuse making.

Do you honestly think I don't understand that holding happens on every NFL play, or that headshotting a qb in the open field is somehow equivalent to that? Please don't, I don't need to be talked down to like that, and I don't honestly believe you're not smart enough to understand the difference between the two, you're just unwilling to acknowledge it. One is attempting to gain an advantage, the other is malice towards your opponent for juvenile and unprofessional reasons and seeking to inflict harm.

That's the reality.

[SBiii]

5 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

 One is attempting to gain an advantage, the other is malice towards your opponent for juvenile and unprofessional reasons and seeking to inflict harm.

NFL football is an incredibly violent game and "malice towards your opponent" is the goal on every single play.

Here's the deal....

....your expectations are entirely unrealistic and completely out of touch with reality. 

Nice chatting with you.