Panthers Mt. Rushmore

[1of10Charnatives]

7 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Thats why I put the disclaimer on how long the list is.  Barely cracking the top 20 (I saw a variety of lists that placed him in the 19-23 range) is sorta a grey area to me, but I can see both sides.

But to stay on topic, I can't put Peppers on the "Mt Rushmore".  While I love him, and what he has continued to do for the organization in his retirement, as a player he wasn't here when it mattered.  I don't fault him for leaving, but to me..that removes him for the Rushmore.

Mills, Smitty for sure.  After that?  I'd be hard pressed for anyone not Cam/Luke.  They've been the face of the franchise, supporting it on and off the field for a while now.

 

Well here’s the thing, if someone is saying I can’t see Cam being remembered as one of our greats down the road, and out of 50+ years of MVP’s Rich Gannon is the only one who’s even a maybe, I think that speaks to how unrealistic the viewpoint I took issue with is based on existing history.

Other than that I think we see eye to eye on the rest except that I would throw TD in as at least a viable candidate.

[miko dawg]

Karl Hankton for his sticktoitiveness.

[ecu88]

My power 4:

 

David Gettis

Sean Gilbert

Everette Brown

Jimmy Clausen

[onmyown]

As I’ve said it’s about criteria. I said in the next 50 years there’ll be another MVP, not that it would be criteria. For you, it is the criteria and so is emotion (Peppers/Mills.

For me I take emotions out of it and look closer to what HOF status means rather than MVP. A long (10+ years) time of high level play for mostly one franchise. That’s more important as my criteria, just going to have to agree to disagree.

And I have lived in cities with teams with a rich history and have lived in Charlotte. And if you think there isn’t a HUGE difference all o can say is either you haven’t had much exposure, or lived in a city with a team with a long history or your biased because the Panthers are your favorite team. So that view comes from my experience and observations in those cities more so than emotion.

[onmyown]

And no we aren’t the newest, Texans are. I guess we share second place with the Jags so yea I mean I guess that means we aren’t a new team comparatively speaking with the NFL (?)

[rayzor]

4 hours ago, thefuzz said:

You could make the argument that Jake was more important to the Panthers when he came along.  1st SB appearance.  First QB to start more than 3 seasons (kinda locked down the starting role).  Fan favorite.  etc....

Can you make the argument that he's better than Cam?  Hell no.  Not even close.

 

Currently mine would probably be Cam, Luke, Pep, and Smith, in no order.

I could also consider Mills, Gross, TD.

No doubt Jake was important, but Cam took this fan base and team to a new and very dynamic level. 

Fans were becoming more and more apathetic and the culture if the team was one that losing was ok.

Cam put the team on the map and did a lot to generate excitement in young fans. He was instrumental in creating a lot of new fans who will grow up with him as the guy that made them panther fans when they are kids. A lot of adults didn't like him, but he was playing for the kids and made it fun for them. 

[1of10Charnatives]

16 minutes ago, onmyown said:

And no we aren’t the newest, Texans are. I guess we share second place with the Jags so yea I mean I guess that means we aren’t a new team comparatively speaking with the NFL (?)

3rd. You’re overlooking either the Browns or the Ravens, depending on how you parse it. I don’t care either way but both of those franchises exist now and one did not in 1995. Therefore one of them is newer than the Panthers.

As for the argument you’re putting forward about cities and their teams, it sounds an awful lot like European family dynasties that have been around for 500 years telling American families they don’t know anything about family history.  That’s a pretty snobbery oriented point of view and I can’t for the life of me figure out what saying other teams have more history has to do with us evaluating the history our team does have. If your only point in bringing it up is to poo on the Panthers, then my reply is not fit for polite conversation.

Dont try to paint me as some know nothing backwards local. I’m fully aware of the frozen tundra, the steel curtain, Curly Lambeau, The Purple People Eaters, Johnny Unitas, Jim Brown, Brian’s Song. The unique bond between the people of Green Bay and the Packers because the city owns the team, The Move and why the people of Baltimore will spit at you if you mention Art Moddell. All those things and more are well and good, but they have zero bearing on who the best Panthers have been in the time we’ve had our team and if you aren’t from here, then as far as I’m concerned I don’t give a flying fig about how long you think it “ought” to be before we have a right to assess such things.

My response to such hairbrained elitist notions that look down their nose at my city and my team is also not fit for polite discourse.

[thefuzz]

59 minutes ago, rayzor said:

No doubt Jake was important, but Cam took this fan base and team to a new and very dynamic level. 

Fans were becoming more and more apathetic and the culture if the team was one that losing was ok.

Cam put the team on the map and did a lot to generate excitement in young fans. He was instrumental in creating a lot of new fans who will grow up with him as the guy that made them panther fans when they are kids. A lot of adults didn't like him, but he was playing for the kids and made it fun for them. 

I didn't say that I would make the argument, just that it could be made.

Lots of fans my age and a little younger were brought in and got super excited about Jake and Smitty together....but that's some old man stuff.

 

[Navy_football]

Cam has been a one man wrecking crew most of his career. Gave defensive coordinators nightmares trying to figure out how to stop him. Nobody has lost any sleep over Jake Delhomme. I love him as a person, but when Jake was here all you had to do was triple team Smitty - and the offense was nonexistent. 

Peppers

Cam

Smitty

Luke

In that order. People forget that Peppers was an MVP candidate while in Carolina. Not defensive MVP, but MVP. He was an Aaron Donald type player. You had to scheme away from him.

[gorillamilitia13]

On 9/27/2019 at 9:58 AM, Squirrel said:

Smitty peppers and luke. no to Cam. 

No. Cam is the first one to be selected for the Mt. Rushmore if anything.

[1of10Charnatives]

8 minutes ago, bull123 said:

Best thing Cam ever did for the fans was when he tore down that Packers banner in the stadium....that was was awesome

Amen. Preach brother. I have more respect for Green Bay and their fans than any other franchise, but you do NOT allow fans of other teams to hang their banners in your stadium. Cam worked double duty as stadium security that day.

[1of10Charnatives]

16 hours ago, Navy_football said:

Cam has been a one man wrecking crew most of his career. Gave defensive coordinators nightmares trying to figure out how to stop him. Nobody has lost any sleep over Jake Delhomme. I love him as a person, but when Jake was here all you had to do was triple team Smitty - and the offense was nonexistent. 

Peppers

Cam

Smitty

Luke

In that order. People forget that Peppers was an MVP candidate while in Carolina. Not defensive MVP, but MVP. He was an Aaron Donald type player. You had to scheme away from him.

hrm, curious that you say Peppers was an overall MVP candidate yet he never managed to win DPOY even once in the course of his career. Surely a defensive player capable of being considered alongside franchise qb’s and rb’s would have worn that award multiple times.

You know who did win DPOY? Kuechly. You know what Kuechly didn’t do? Walk away from the team that drafted him in FA in his prime. Peppers was great, an athletic freak, but he never produced quite on the level you’re implying and the walking away in his prime disqualifies him from mine.

[micnificent28]

On 9/28/2019 at 11:04 AM, saX man said:

I have:

Luke

Smith

Cam

Peppers

CMC

Mills

TD is an honorable mention.  Maybe he has memorabilia in the Rushmore gift shop. Minter, Walls, Delhomme and Moose would as well.

Way to early on the CmC stuff guy. He really isn't ahead of Stew or William's at this point except in receiving yards. Give it some time.

[rayzor]

5 hours ago, bull123 said:

Best thing Cam ever did for the fans was when he tore down that Packers banner in the stadium....that was was awesome

A lot of people hated it, but it was really needed. First time in this team's history someone from this team staked it as home. Very much a pride building moment.