Robinson: Cam Newton’s injury sets up defining point for new Panthers owner David Tepper

[Mr. Scot]

38 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Because he just might have the clearest picture as to what the franchise needs. 

Riiiiight.

2 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

The condescending tone isn’t needed.....

I see there is still some grudge held from hurneys previous tenure, that has little to nothing to do with how the team is constructed today.

still waiting to hear how hurney would get the brunt of the blame for how the last two seasons have went, injured cam, and even then a coaching staff that played a injured cam, while apparently having a capable backup on the roster the entire time

It's not a grudge. It's an analysis. And there was a whole thread discussing the specific moves already (you took part in it).

What I love most about this though is the extremely low standard which Hurney has to reach to satisfy some folks. As long as he doesn't screw anything up too badly, we'll just go ahead and keep riding with him.

Sheesh

I used to argue against people who said Panthers fans were accepting of mediocrity, but damn...

[Cpt slay a ho]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Riiiiight.

It's not a grudge. It's an analysis. And there was a whole thread discussing the specific moves already (you took part in it).

What I love most about this though is the extremely low standard which Hurney has to reach to satisfy some folks. As long as he doesn't screw anything up too badly, we'll just go ahead and keep riding with him.

Sheesh

I used to argue against people who said Panthers fans were accepting of mediocrity, but damn...

I’m sorry im not in the group wanting to fire a gm because he paid a kicker, who at the time, deserved the contract he warranted. There would be a lot of gm’s on the market if that was the case. 

I’m also not focusing on what hurney did in 2010, I’m concerned about what he’s doing now. Idk how what he did in his first stint is connected to anything that’s been done since he was rehired in 2017.......

From personnel moves, trades, contract extensions, ect we’re looking at a B- at minimum and that might be way off depending on how this season goes. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

2 hours ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Has anyone actually outlined why Hurney has done in his second run through that he should be fired over?  Or is it all "Hurney was bad years ago, so fire him based on that"?

All I’ve gathered is.....

he paid gano over bukter

He hasn’t fired Rivera 

we don’t have a backup qb

he overpaid Poe,Reid,Olsen, cockrell, and he didn’t resign norwell or star.

little and Grier are bust

and we should have drafted *insert hindsight draft pick* instead of gaulden 

[lovelett]

13 hours ago, top dawg said:

It's not that simplistic. Last year's 7-9 was due to Newton being injured. This year is indeed more indicative of Hurney's decisions---specifically addressing the backup QB situation. He rolled the dice with Allen & hedged his bet with Grier. Based on Sunday's game, his decision to not reach in the first or second round for a QB and his decision not to sign a retread, looks pretty good.

 

For everyone saying that Hurney is a package deal with the coaches, I'm not so sure. I'll put it this way: I surely wouldn't stake anything of value on it. Tepper has proven to be very much thoughtful and analytical. Will he throw the baby away with the bathwater? I doubt it.

I think Cam and Rivera’s future lies together.... if Hurney’s guys play well he might not be part of the package.... 

[stratocatter]

There is so much holdover from Gettleman vs Hurney, Gettlemagic all the butthurt that Gettleman was gone and OMG they brought back that loser Hurney. Hurney is doing fine. I was an early "fire Hurney" guy the first time, that was cemented when he took Stew and then moved back up for Otah, which I think was well ahead of the mainstream,  but I don't have any "fire him" problems with him this time around, as of yet.

Anyway, Hurney, if you look a little deeper into this past offseason, even though Cam was his biggest pick and special to him, he went about the business of setting us up for life after Cam. I am not a Grier fan as of right now but if he does develop and pan out in a year or two, we have moved on if need be. We will know more as we go on, but look... this offensive makeover/weapon stockpiling the last couple of years (started nicely by Gettleman I must admit) isn't solely about getting Cam weapons. It is also about getting the quarterback weapons, whoever is playing QB. So we can still have a shot at winning without an elite QB. You can look at what we have now and see that we can win some games with a game manager, so if we get good quarterback play we are not bad off at all (and boy did we get that).

Which scenario A is best case Cam is healthy and adapts to being a 30-31 year old conventional QB, but scenario B is we have Allen to bridge the gap with Grier developing and that could turn out okay too. If we had even had an average QB out there the last 6 games or so, we might have salvaged the year.

And that with our defensive staff getting raided for two years running, which no one mentions or if they do it is downplayed. That was a big deal and a lot to overcome for any coach. Most good teams have down years. Saints. Steelers. Anyone not the Patriots it seems like. People are just so impatient nowadays.

I am going with Rivera is not perfect but he is still respected by the players and has that locker room right, you would have to hit a home run to upgrade, and I am not sure we could hit one. Except for Cam not contributing,  I like the way the team looks. Unless stuff gets really bad, I don't feel the need to make changes. If I were to make a list why he should go, playing Cam when he goes out there and hurts the team would be pretty much the whole list.

 

Edit: And the Cam stuff is not personal, he has been a great Panther. But playing him has cost us games. Period.

[Mr. Scot]

9 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

All I’ve gathered is.....

he paid gano over bukter

He hasn’t fired Rivera 

we don’t have a backup qb

he overpaid Poe,Reid,Olsen, cockrell, and he didn’t resign norwell or star.

little and Grier are bust

and we should have drafted *insert hindsight draft pick* instead of gaulden 

One, he was never qualified for the job to begin with, but our idiot owner was known to give people jobs they didn't deserve as rewards.

Two, he looked okay early on the last time too, but things only got worse the longer he was in place.

Three, there are candidates out there who genuinely are qualified. If we pass over people like that (again) to keep this moron, we pretty much deserve whatever happens.

As has been mentioned before, Hurney doesn't know how to plan ahead. He's completely a fly by the seat of his pants, win now, use up whatever we've got guy with a penchant for an occasional hit and frequent dumbass decisions.

We deserve better.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

As has been mentioned before, Hurney doesn't know how to plan ahead. He's completely a fly by the seat of his pants, win now, use up whatever we've got guy with a penchant for an occasional hit and frequent dumbass decisions.

I feel like this entire most recent off season contradicts this.

The off season was about planning for the future, and not getting ourselves tied up in large contracts we can't get out of.  

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

I feel like this entire most recent off season contradicts this.

The off season was about planning for the future, and not getting ourselves tied up in large contracts we can't get out of.  

Speculation is he may not be allowed to just yet.

[MasterAwesome]

18 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

One, he was never qualified for the job to begin with, but our idiot owner was known to give people jobs they didn't deserve as rewards.

Two, he looked okay early on the last time too, but things only got worse the longer he was in place.

Three, there are candidates out there who genuinely are qualified. If we pass over people like that (again) to keep this moron, we pretty much deserve whatever happens.

As has been mentioned before, Hurney doesn't know how to plan ahead. He's completely a fly by the seat of his pants, win now, use up whatever we've got guy with a penchant for an occasional hit and frequent dumbass decisions.

We deserve better.

Scot always likes to pretend to discuss Hurney objectively under the guise of rationality, but as you can see...there’s a lot of hatred boiling just under the surface lol. You just gotta engage him long enough to expose it.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Speculation is he may not be allowed to just yet.

I mean, if we are going to that route.  There isn't much to discuss.  Because I can't really debate "speculation made up to push a narrative".  

[hepcat]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

One, he was never qualified for the job to begin with, but our idiot owner was known to give people jobs they didn't deserve as rewards.

Two, he looked okay early on the last time too, but things only got worse the longer he was in place.

Three, there are candidates out there who genuinely are qualified. If we pass over people like that (again) to keep this moron, we pretty much deserve whatever happens.

As has been mentioned before, Hurney doesn't know how to plan ahead. He's completely a fly by the seat of his pants, win now, use up whatever we've got guy with a penchant for an occasional hit and frequent dumbass decisions.

We deserve better.

You gotta stop with this Hurney hate. What has he done since he came back that has been so awful? Gettleman made good and terrible moves too, and by your definition he was "qualified".

 

[hepcat]

8 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Scot always likes to pretend to discuss Hurney objectively under the guise of rationality, but as you can see...there’s a lot of hatred boiling just under the surface lol. You just gotta engage him long enough to expose it.

Yea it's really not warranted this time around.  Since Hurney came back as GM he has made solid moves. No GM is perfect.

Almost all of his draft picks have been at the very least a part time contributor, and at best, a future star. His free agent signings have varied but he hasn't strapped the team with a horrible contract for a player that isn't contributing either. 

[Shotgun]

12 hours ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Has anyone actually outlined why Hurney has done in his second run through that he should be fired over?  Or is it all "Hurney was bad years ago, so fire him based on that"?

His record speaks for itself.

[Mr. Scot]

16 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Scot always likes to pretend to discuss Hurney objectively under the guise of rationality, but as you can see...there’s a lot of hatred boiling just under the surface lol. You just gotta engage him long enough to expose it.

Nah. By all accounts Marty is a likable guy.

But of course, the people who aren't smart enough to actually discuss what's going on with him do tend to try to claim it's all emotional.

Case in point...