Robinson: Cam Newton’s injury sets up defining point for new Panthers owner David Tepper

[Bartin]

49 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Kevin Colbert is a guy who's been in charge of personnel for twenty years and only had one losing season.

Marty Hurney has served as Panthers GM over fourteen years and only has three winning seasons.

Even if we don't end up having a shot of Colbert, we could still go with somebody who's spent significant time working under him in Omar Khan, Phil Kreidler or Brandon Hunt. Or for that matter, maybe use Colbert as a consultant and let him choose among the guys mentioned (or others).

Even outside of the Steelers, you've got guys like Lake Dawson, Ryan Cowden, Trent Kirchner, Scott Fitterer and others who have worked their way up actually doing personnel jobs and earned their shot at being in charge rather than having it handed to them by an owner as a reward for loyalty.

Give me some semblance of an argument why you take a guy like Marty Hurney, of whom a high compliment is saying that he "might be better than it used to be", over those options.

Why in the hell would you settle for Marty when you have a chance at someone eho actually qualified for the job the right way?

Not real sure how I feel about a guy who gave up his 1st round pick the day after his starting QB suffered a season ending injury. That’s looking like a top 5 pick and he got safety/slot CB who was drafted 11th and wasn’t exactly setting the world on fire. Like maybe he is losing his mind.

[Ricky Spanish]

7 minutes ago, Bartin said:

Not real sure how I feel about a guy who gave up his 1st round pick the day after his starting QB suffered a season ending injury. That’s looking like a top 5 pick and he got safety/slot CB who was drafted 11th and wasn’t exactly setting the world on fire. Like maybe he is losing his mind.

Sabotaging the team on the way out to eliminate the competition for when he joins us. 

[Waldo]

8 minutes ago, Bartin said:

Not real sure how I feel about a guy who gave up his 1st round pick the day after his starting QB suffered a season ending injury. That’s looking like a top 5 pick and he got safety/slot CB who was drafted 11th and wasn’t exactly setting the world on fire. Like maybe he is losing his mind.

Still he wins. Not sure what that trade was about because it was an odd trade choice given the situation. There are dynamics that dont make sense given his contract and non renewal after the draft. We will know at some point if Pittsburgh has a master plan or they have been spinning their wheels.

He is a polarizing prospect but the fact is he is a consistant winner and we do not nor have we ever had that.

[Cpt slay a ho]

31 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You're saying that the guy who said the first, second and third thing that he cared about was winning should make his decisions based on something other than winning? 

Yeah if hurney isn’t the main reason or even the top 5 reasons we’re not winning than why would he get blame for something he doesn’t have control over? 

Almost among the lines of faulting hurney for Rivera playing a clearly injured qb, or norv not running a qb sneak. That’s just scarping the surface.

[!stUp]

20 hours ago, Snake said:

Fans are in a tough spot. Either Allen is our new QB and Rivera stays because of our playoff record or Allen sucks and Rivera get off on another Cam Newton injury. The only way Rivera gets fired is if both Cam and Allen suck so bad we lose too many games. 

I just want my team to win. I love the Panthers more than I hate Rivera.

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Yeah if hurney isn’t the main reason or even the top 5 reasons we’re not winning than why would he get blame for something he doesn’t have control over? 

Almost among the lines of faulting hurney for Rivera playing a clearly injured qb, or norv not running a qb sneak. That’s just scarping the surface.

Or for hiring Rivera...

It's everybody's fault... except the guy who's in charge of everything.

[Cpt slay a ho]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Or for hiring Rivera...

It's everybody's fault... except the guy who's in charge of everything.

Two regimes and Rivera is still here, I don’t know if hurney has the power to fire Ron the second go around, because if he did fire him, than we’re basically admitting Tepper would have been fine with a couple season of hurney and his new hire.

hurney has his faults but acting like he’s the main issue is just false 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Two regimes and Rivera is still here, I don’t know if hurney has the power to fire Ron the second go around, because if he did fire him, than we’re basically admitting Tepper would have been fine with a couple season of hurney and his new hire.

hurney has his faults but acting like he’s the main issue is just false 

Because he's got such a strong record of success in the past that it would be crazy to doubt him, right?

Yeah, sure 

And yes, Hurney has the power to fire Rivera. But given that he threw himself on his sword to save Rivera when Jerry Richardson wanted to fire him, I'm not holding my breath waiting on that one.

 

[Cpt slay a ho]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Because he's got such a strong record of success in the past that it would be crazy to doubt him, right?

Yeah, sure 

And yes, Hurney has the power to fire Rivera. But given that he threw himself on his sword to save Rivera when Jerry Richardson wanted to fire him, I'm not holding my breath waiting on that one.

 

Not sure who you are referring to in the bold

Again, if he had the power to fire him than that’s basically stating that hurney would get multiple seasons with a new coach hire, I highly doubt we clean house after one year under a new hc 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Not sure who you are referring to in the bold

Again, if he had the power to fire him than that’s basically stating that hurney would get multiple seasons with a new coach hire, I highly doubt we clean house after one year under a new hc 

I'm referring to fourteen seasons of management only producing three winners, plus the fact that Hurney's winning seasons all seem to come while there's still a significant roster influence from his predecessors. As has been mentioned many times, the longer he's in charge, the worse things get.

But again, that's all coincidental, right?  Just because all these things happened when Marty's in charge...I mean, there's no possible way he could be responsible for any of it.

It's just got to be everybody else's fault.

[Cpt slay a ho]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm referring to fourteen seasons of management only producing three winners, plus the fact that Hurney's winning seasons all seem to come while there's still a significant roster influence from his predecessors. As has been mentioned many times, the longer he's in charge, the worse things get.

But again, that's all coincidental, right?  Just because all these things happened when Marty's in charge...I mean, there's no possible way he could be responsible for any of it.

It's just got to be everybody else's fault.

The condescending tone isn’t needed.....

I see there is still some grudge held from hurneys previous tenure, that has little to nothing to do with how the team is constructed today.

still waiting to hear how hurney would get the brunt of the blame for how the last two seasons have went, injured cam, and even then a coaching staff that played a injured cam, while apparently having a capable backup on the roster the entire time 

 

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

Has anyone actually outlined why Hurney has done in his second run through that he should be fired over?  Or is it all "Hurney was bad years ago, so fire him based on that"?

[top dawg]

6 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Kevin Colbert is a guy who's been in charge of personnel for twenty years and only had one losing season.

Marty Hurney has served as Panthers GM over fourteen years and only has three winning seasons.

Even if we don't end up having a shot of Colbert, we could still go with somebody who's spent significant time working under him in Omar Khan, Phil Kreidler or Brandon Hunt. Or for that matter, maybe use Colbert as a consultant and let him choose among the guys mentioned (or others).

Even outside of the Steelers, you've got guys like Lake Dawson, Ryan Cowden, Trent Kirchner, Scott Fitterer and others who have worked their way up actually doing personnel jobs and earned their shot at being in charge rather than having it handed to them by an owner as a reward for loyalty.

Give me some semblance of an argument why you take a guy like Marty Hurney, of whom a high compliment is saying that he "might be better than it used to be", over those options.

Why in the hell would you settle for Marty when you have a chance at someone eho actually qualified for the job the right way?

Because he just might have the clearest picture as to what the franchise needs. 

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Has anyone actually outlined why Hurney has done in his second run through that he should be fired over?  Or is it all "Hurney was bad years ago, so fire him based on that"?

That's my thing. If Hurney had returned and commenced to being the same guy, I'd say, "Can him!" The thing is though, I think he's done a pretty good job. That may have been the deciding factor as to why he's here this year. The same people who were calling for his head after last season, are the same one's calling for his head now. And I really wonder if they'd secretly prefer that the season tanks just so Hurney can get fired. Me? I'd prefer a successful season and for Tepper's patience to be rewarded.