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Robinson: Cam Newton’s injury sets up defining point for new Panthers owner David Tepper

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top dawg Grand Master

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56 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

His job is to put together a roster that can compete for a championship. So far we were 7-9 last year and  1-2 now so...... 

It's not that simplistic. Last year's 7-9 was due to Newton being injured. This year is indeed more indicative of Hurney's decisions---specifically addressing the backup QB situation. He rolled the dice with Allen & hedged his bet with Grier. Based on Sunday's game, his decision to not reach in the first or second round for a QB and his decision not to sign a retread, looks pretty good.

 

For everyone saying that Hurney is a package deal with the coaches, I'm not so sure. I'll put it this way: I surely wouldn't stake anything of value on it. Tepper has proven to be very much thoughtful and analytical. Will he throw the baby away with the bathwater? I doubt it.

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42 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

Most of the players during that run were Hurney picks, so...

Cam / Luke / Beason / Davis / Gross / Norman / Smith / Olsen / Addison 

Now there was a blend of DG draft talent and UDFA's like...

Norwell / Turner / Bradberry / CMC / Samuel /Short / Star

However most of DG's ''best'' picks had little to do with our best runs of success

If anything it's been a blend of the work both GM's put in so the answer is not as simple as saying ''yes'' or ''no'' 

Since his return, Marty has been what many would consider a very good GM.  Dave in his return to NYG remains to be seen if he's developed beyond what he was here, as it seems he's stripped that team of talent much like he did our own after 2015. Saving grace may be Jones, it remains to be seen.

As it stands with this team IMO Rivera should be the one on the hot seat solely. Kyle Allen may very well be the one to save his job this time. 

All of the picks (and the free agents) during the first two losing seasons with Rivera, were Hurney picks.

Likewise, all of the picks over the past season and a fraction's losing record, have also been on Marty.

In fact, the only winning season we've had so far since Marty came back was the one for which he had zero input in the offseason.

And as history has shown us, the longer that Marty is in charge, the worse your team gets and the worse your salary cap situation gets.

Marty was never qualified for the job to begin with. Every other owner in the NFL knew that. Only Jerry Richardson believed otherwise, and hopefully David Tepper is learning.

It's time to get a real GM.

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14 hours ago, Snake said:

Fans are in a tough spot. Either Allen is our new QB and Rivera stays because of our playoff record or Allen sucks and Rivera get off on another Cam Newton injury. The only way Rivera gets fired is if both Cam and Allen suck so bad we lose too many games. 

The Texans game should tell us a lot. 

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14 minutes ago, top dawg said:

And I don't know if it's "smart" to throw out a guy who said that he learned from his mistakes, and then commences to show you that he has. Hurney's position was unique, and he may have learned something uniquely valuable. 

There are guys who have been proving themselves in actual personnel jobs for 10, 15, 20 years or more.

I'll take the knowledge those guys have accumulated in those jobs over anything Marty thinks he learned in 4 years working as a sports radio host.

And if as speculated we actually do have a shot at Kevin Colbert, we should wheel Marty out the front door strapped to a dolly and never look back.

 

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20 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

There are guys who have been proving themselves in actual personnel jobs for 10, 15, 20 years or more.

I'll take the knowledge those guys have accumulated in those jobs over anything Marty thinks he learned in 4 years working as a sports radio host.

And if as speculated we actually do have a shot at Kevin Colbert, we should wheel Marty out the front door strapped to a dolly and never look back.

 

Maybe.

Hurney is arguably one of those guys.

In my opinion, he was a above average---probably no worse than average with personnel moves during his first tenure. He's been solidly above average upon his return. 

My issue with Marty was discerning value on the business side of things. He gave out some horrendous contracts at the absolute wrong time to aging players. If he's cleaned that up (which there are some signs that he has), then he may just be worth keeping. 

I'm good with whatever Tepper decides at the end of the day.

 

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25 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Maybe.

Hurney is arguably one of those guys.

In my opinion, he was a above average---probably no worse than average with personnel moves during his first tenure. He's been solidly above average upon his return. 

My issue with Marty was discerning value on the business side of things. He gave out some horrendous contracts at the absolute wrong time to aging players. If he's cleaned that up (which there are some signs that he has), then he may just be worth keeping. 

I'm good with whatever Tepper decides at the end of the day.

 

A GM's job is more than drafting.  It's also about extending players, or not extending players at the right time, and for the right money.

What extensions or long term contracts has Hurney given out that you think were done at the right time, and for the right value?

Poe?

Olsen?

McCoy?

Gano?

Bradberry?

Shaq?

Williams?

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1 hour ago, top dawg said:

It's not that simplistic. Last year's 7-9 was due to Newton being injured. This year is indeed more indicative of Hurney's decisions---specifically addressing the backup QB situation. He rolled the dice with Allen & hedged his bet with Grier. Based on Sunday's game, his decision to not reach in the first or second round for a QB and his decision not to sign a retread, looks pretty good.

 

For everyone saying that Hurney is a package deal with the coaches, I'm not so sure. I'll put it this way: I surely wouldn't stake anything of value on it. Tepper has proven to be very much thoughtful and analytical. Will he throw the baby away with the bathwater? I doubt it.

Sure, but at some point the excuses become tiresome. His record speaks for itself.

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56 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Maybe.

Hurney is arguably one of those guys.

In my opinion, he was a above average---probably no worse than average with personnel moves during his first tenure. He's been solidly above average upon his return. 

My issue with Marty was discerning value on the business side of things. He gave out some horrendous contracts at the absolute wrong time to aging players. If he's cleaned that up (which there are some signs that he has), then he may just be worth keeping. 

I'm good with whatever Tepper decides at the end of the day.

 

Hurney Teams overall record round 1:

90-102

Hurney Teams overall record round 2:

8-11

Overall record of 98-113. Win percentage of 46%

Average at personnel moves would mean he'd be .500. 

With Marty at the helm, overall, we are not that great and haven't had a winning record since 2008. Nothing about that screams average to me. 

Saying all of that, I don't necessarily disagree with the moves he's made the second time around, there's been plenty of decent ones. Some questionable ones, and none as bad as the first time. 

Either way, the proof is in the record, and our record is bad overall with him in charge of personnel. 

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58 minutes ago, top dawg said:

In my opinion, he was a above average---probably no worse than average with personnel moves during his first tenure. He's been solidly above average upon his return. 

Marty's first tenure covered eleven years.

In only three of those years did we have winning seasons.

That's what you see as average to above average?

Whatever mathematical method you're using, send me the info on it so I can convince my boss to use it on my performance reviews.

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I would add this...

If "average" is enough to make you happy, then by all means you're throwing your support behind the right guy. Marty Hurney is definitely that as a GM, all day every day.

On the flipside though, some of us would actually like to watch the team win Super Bowls.

(we're funny like that)

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