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Robinson: Cam Newton’s injury sets up defining point for new Panthers owner David Tepper


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Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Case in point...

Let me summarize your two arguments:

1) Hurney’s record - an argument that, if you wanna hitch your wagon to it, would actually support Hurney being a better GM than Gettleman in their respective second stints...which we all know would infuriate you to acknowledge.

2) “Some people speculate”, “Lots of people say”, “There were talks about” followed by some random immeasurable tidbit. I know you have a reputation for being the resident TMZ, but if you constantly point to literal gossip to bolster your argument...then oh boy, you need to sit this one out and let the big boys handle the discourse. You know, there’s this one heavily scrutinized guy in American politics who employs the same tactic as you: “Lots of people say...” followed by some ridiculous unsubstantiated claim.

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On 9/24/2019 at 11:32 PM, AU-panther said:

Even without the injury this offseason would be a defining moment.  
Cam has just one year left on his deal after this year, it was going to be time to make some tough decisions anyway.

The Panthers are actually in a really good spot.  They have this year and next to evaluate Cam's health and if he is back 100%, give him another contract which we all know will be record setting.  If he isn't 100%, go another direction.

The NFL has never seen a player like Cam and I'm concerned that his longevity will be along the lines of a NFL running back given his size and the hits he's taken over the years inside and outside the pocket.  

 

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3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah...that makes absolutely no sense.

The only thing Hurney did toward building that 2017 team was the dumbass move of cutting Harrison Butker. I give him credit for benefiting from Brandon Beane's stupid move of trading for Kelvin Benjamin, but that wasn't his idea.

 

Exactly what my point is, you said the win/loss total is all that matters, even when I pointed to the circumstances that led to the downfall of last season and the beginning of this one, you stated it’s everyone fault except hurneys......

ok, I need that same energy for 2017

If we’re not going to care about a injured cam playing a huge factor into why our season failed last season, than I don’t want to hear why he shouldn’t get credit for the 2017 season. 

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4 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Exactly what my point is, you said the win/loss total is all that matters, even when I pointed to the circumstances that led to the downfall of last season and the beginning of this one, you stated it’s everyone fault except hurneys......

ok, I need that same energy for 2017

If we’re not going to care about a injured cam playing a huge factor into why our season failed last season, than I don’t want to hear why he shouldn’t get credit for the 2017 season. 

Yeah...Again, that argument makes no sense.

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3 hours ago, Cracka McNasty said:

I've voiced my opinion on this recently. I was a huge Hurney detractor the first time around, and legitimately pissed off we brought him back.

Objectively speaking though, he hasn't been horrible this second time around. A lot of the moves make sense in context even if I didn't necessarily agree with them, and he has done nothing to hamper us too badly in the long term like he had done in the past. I don't agree with a few of his draft picks, but others have been solid so far. 

However, we do have a losing record since he's had GM responsibilities again. He has never had a winning record with Rivera as a coach. Why is this? What made Gettleman and Rivera work? What makes Rivera and Hurney fail? I don't know, but I know I don't like that. 

My biggest grievance this offseason was the failure to extend both Bradberry and Shaq. Many are saying Bradberry is more egregious, but I believe not extending Shaq was the bigger misstep. Bradberry has been solid if not spectacular getting better each year, and has taken it up another notch this season. It's great to see and forward thinking would have shown he deserved a pay upgrade to keep him around. 

Shaq though, that was a miss. Shaq has shown he has the ability to play in TD's position on numerous occasions and was drafted to be the heir apparent a few years back. The huddle liked to crap on him but he was put in a position to fail numerous times over the years and not playing a true LB in the defense. He has the skills to be great and watching the tape shows that. The big whiff here though is that he is making 9 million this year. Had we extended him, we could have leveraged his low production to a smaller number over the next few years, instead we are paying him the full 9 million this year, and most likely a decent chunk next as well. 

There was absolutely no reason to extend shaq

to no fault of his own, but it took until his 5th year for him to see the field as a starter. We can’t pay a guy top lber money off of limited snaps, even so far this year he hasn’t shown anything to warrant top lb money. Now if he’s not asking for that type of contract that’s different.

bradberry I can see your point there, but his inconsistency was the main issue, so far that’s out the window, so yeah we are going to pay for in the offseason if he keeps this up 

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Just now, Cpt slay a ho said:

It’s your argument lol 

you said you don’t care about anything but the win/loss, so let’s talk nothing but the win/loss and throw all subjectivity out the window 

I think you might want to go back and re-read some of what you're discussing.

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On 9/25/2019 at 5:31 PM, Cpt slay a ho said:

Yeah if hurney isn’t the main reason or even the top 5 reasons we’re not winning than why would he get blame for something he doesn’t have control over? 

Almost among the lines of faulting hurney for Rivera playing a clearly injured qb, or norv not running a qb sneak. That’s just scarping the surface.

 

On 9/25/2019 at 7:59 PM, Mr. Scot said:

Or for hiring Rivera...

It's everybody's fault... except the guy who's in charge of everything.

Here’s you brushing off the reasons last season and the beginning of this one weren’t successful. 

Again, if we are going to ignore cam being injured as a primary factor on why last season and the beginning of this one have failed, And blame the gm, than I need that same blame for the 2017 season 

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47 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

There was absolutely no reason to extend shaq

to no fault of his own, but it took until his 5th year for him to see the field as a starter. We can’t pay a guy top lber money off of limited snaps, even so far this year he hasn’t shown anything to warrant top lb money. Now if he’s not asking for that type of contract that’s different.

bradberry I can see your point there, but his inconsistency was the main issue, so far that’s out the window, so yeah we are going to pay for in the offseason if he keeps this up 

That's the thing though, right now we ARE paying him top 10 LBer money. I think we could have extended him around what we are currently paying him yearly and not really much more and been set for years to come with both him and Luke. And I disagree with you about Shaq, dude has been showing out so far this year. He's kicked it up another notch in his play and is playing like a 12 Million + guy right now. We have not missed a beat in the transition of replacing Davis with him so far this year. 

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11 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

That's the thing though, right now we ARE paying him top 10 LBer money. I think we could have extended him around what we are currently paying him yearly and not really much more and been set for years to come with both him and Luke. And I disagree with you about Shaq, dude has been showing out so far this year. He's kicked it up another notch in his play and is playing like a 12 Million + guy right now. We have not missed a beat in the transition of replacing Davis with him so far this year. 

We haven’t missed a beat but he’s not on td’s level, I want to see better coverage from Shaq before rewarding him with top lb money.

i would have been all aboard paying him long term at the hit he’s currently at, but I’m also sure we could find a replacement in the draft or in fa if push came to shove 

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