Kyle Allen - No.1 Pro Style QB

[OriginalPantherDan]

17 minutes ago, Mage said:

High school rankings are always shaky.  Quite frankly you can never be sure how a player will work out in college, especially at QB.  

See Clausen, Jimmy

 

[*FreeFua*]

2 hours ago, t96 said:

It’s interesting, I was reading some draft profiles on him and it seemed pretty much everyone thought he has all the physical tools to be a great QB in the NFL and all the struggles were mental. Seems like he’s starting to put that all together which could absolutely mean he could be a franchise QB.

Yep and a lot of it had to do with the amount of pressure A&M’s OL was allowing. 

Houston pulled the plug on him WAY too soon especially given the fact he went 31/33 a game prior to being yanked. 

Go watch the bowl game his freshman season. There’s some really good, bad and ugly from it and knowing he’s just a freshman it’s a solid performance. 

[Panthercougar68]

Jimmy Clausen was the #1 qb in his class my Jr year if that tells you how much I distrust recruit ratings.

[Varking]

2 minutes ago, Panthercougar68 said:

Jimmy Clausen was the #1 qb in his class my Jr year if that tells you how much I distrust recruit ratings.

I get that but Clausen lacked physical tools. He didn't have a strong arm and he was carried by talent around him at Notre Dame. Allen played pretty well without a bunch of talent. 

[electro's horse]

going to notre dame automatically adds a star to your ranking

you think im joking but players that decommit from Notre Dame are frequently downgraded by the scouting services. 

[Untouchable]

2 hours ago, Varking said:

https://247sports.com/Player/Kyle-Allen-19707/

How did he go from #1 High School Pro Style QB to undrafted? He set the Army Bowl record going 12 of 18 for 183 yards at the 2014 Army Bowl All American Game. He beat out two QBs at Texas A&M including Kyler Murray to win the job. Then decided with a few weeks left of his Sophomore campaign he was transferring to Houston where he lost his job after 3 games and decided to declare for the draft knowing he likely wasn't going to get drafted? 

The whole story is ultra weird and we are lucky for having him here but what a weird background! 

Allen is kind of unique because he left A&M to get away from the coach there citing a toxic culture at the school.  Signed on at Houston under Tom Herman who left for Texas before he took a snap.  He wasn't a fit in Major Applewhite's offense there and would shortly lose his starting job in Houston.  He then decided to bet on himself and leave for the NFL early obviously going undrafted with little experience and solid tape to go off of.  I don't think anyone got a chance to see if he could stand up to that #1 high school ranking when he was in college.

[Mr. Scot]

Joe Montana could throw a pick six and you'd have no idea from looking at him.

Dan Marino would throw a screaming fit full of the foulest language you could imagine if a receiver ran a route a yard shorter than he should have.

People are different.

I tend to prefer the quiet, steady demeanor myself but that's just me.

[caatfan]

It's too soon to tell what we've got with Allen. Is he a flash in the pan or does he live up to his high school rating? As for his UDFA status, who cares? Kurt Warner was undrafted and Brady was a 'might as well take a chance' 6th rounder.

All I know is that I was impressed as hell with what I saw yesterday, and I'm hoping to see more of it. 

[Jeremy Igo]

2 hours ago, OriginalPantherDan said:

See Clausen, Jimmy

 

I'd prefer not to

[!stUp]

35 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

I'd prefer not to

[Benotheking]

I never seen so much over reaction from a fan base in my life. People wanted to cut Allen in favor of Taylor Heinicke, now he is QB1 and somewhat of the future QB of the Panthers because he looked good against one of the worst teams in the NFL ? Now he's the new Jake ? Allen played well but lets see if he can keep it up. 

[SwagAces9030]

Crazy that our last two franchise QBs careers started in Arizona.

[Black&BlueBubba]

5 hours ago, stbugs said:

I can’t remember where it was posted but someone posted worrying about paying two big contracts. We won’t not because of getting rid of Newton but because Allen is an EFRA and an RFA the next two years and then could be tagged. If he’s Newton’s heir apparent then I’d assume we’d talk deal but you could potentially control him for 2020-2022 for a total of $30M without a long contract. If he looks like a complete stud and we want to move on from Cam then you could work out a long term deal that includes the fact that he’s 100% team controlled on a cheap contract in 2020 (ERFA) and likely on a cheaper $5M RFA 1st round tender. That would make it a reasonable deal say for 5 years at 80/85 seeing as how you could have him for 3/30-35. He wouldn’t have to wait until 2022 to get his first big paycheck either. A starting level QB for 5 years averaging $16-17M is a bargain.

This!!!  I started to dig into this yesterday before getting sidetracked. Thanks for the info.  In today’s NFL this is what intrigues me.  Having the ability to have a good starting QB at that discounted rate could set us up for a title by putting quality talent around him instead of paying 40 mil and having that one player try to drag the team there.  

To be clear I am not saying Allen should be anointed yet.  But with an owner who loves undervalued assets I think you have to let this play out to see what you have.  It could set the future up very nicely if he can be that guy. He can make all the throws.  He hits guys in stride and let’s the playmakers work for him.  

Only time will tell but I am firmly on the Allen bandwagon for what it could potentially mean going forward in building a really quality team around him.  

[CRA]

7 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Yep. Different guys develop at different rates. Could just be a late bloomer which would explain everything we have seen.

Yep. We see it all the time.  A lot of the great college QBs never become great NFL ones 

and a lot of guys who aren’t viewed as NFL locks to be great...become NFL greats