Pats just released AB

[pantherj]

22 minutes ago, Panthro said:

This question is midly infuriating

 

Job is a privilege not a right. Company can fire you for pretty much anything they choose as long as its not race religion gender etc

He deserves a fair trial but what's happening to him is not a violation of that

I was trying to provoke a different conversation with that question. I wanted people to hash out the reason why our society has decided that it's ok to fire an accused individual who may or may not be innocent. The answer basically comes down to the fact that it benefits greater good. AB, for example, could financially harm a lot of people who are invested in or work for the NFL. Multiple AB type guys, if they are not fired during public scandals, could bring the NFL to it's knees. 

[pantherj]

14 minutes ago, Cdw said:

Well, B of course.  I'd also probably try to refrain from harassing the accuser or any other women while it played out.  If I couldn't help myself though, I'd definitely include my lawyer in on the harassing group text message, seems like the thing to do.  Communications with the lawyer, thats confidential stuff right?

AB should have been on the phone or meeting with his lawyer every day the moment he realized there was trouble. If AB is not that bright, then he should have at least known not to say or text ANYTHING even remotely questionable. Even a dumb guy should know when to be quiet.

[Zeek]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

AB to the Exempt List is way more likely.

Yeah just joking around. Saw where the NFL’s PR guy said he’s a free agent as of now.

[pantherj]

20 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Well, this is all kinds of ironic.

So the story is out now that Patriots owner Robert Kraft was "enraged" by Antonio Brown's behavior.

Ummm, Yeah...

In all seriousness though, both the Patriots and the NFL had told him to stop texting his accusers. Perfectly reasonable request, and one that frankly was for his own good.

Once it came out that he still was - and doing despicable things like including pictures of one's kids - both Belichick and Kraft had enough and agreed it was time to dump him.

There is the possibility they try to keep from paying out any of his bonus, though one person did point out that if the Patriots were involved in any shenanigans with regard to his departure from the Raiders, Brown might be in a position to expose them.

(he'd need evidence, of course)

You know if Robert Kraft was enraged by AB's behavior I have just the thing that will cool him down. There is this Asian spa in a strip mall in Tampa, and I think a nice massage might be just what the doctor ordered during this stressful time.

[Toomers]

   NFL says he won’t go in the Exempt List. But warns that could happen at any time if information becomes available during the investigation. 

[Mr. Scot]

30 minutes ago, pantherj said:

I was trying to provoke a different conversation with that question. I wanted people to hash out the reason why our society has decided that it's ok to fire an accused individual who may or may not be innocent. The answer basically comes down to the fact that it benefits greater good. AB, for example, could financially harm a lot of people who are invested in or work for the NFL. Multiple AB type guys, if they are not fired during public scandals, could bring the NFL to it's knees. 

Ya gotta be reeeeeal careful about drawing equivalencies between sports and business. There are a lot of things that just don't match up.

If your office job fired you because you were approaching middle-age, you'd be talking to a lawyer. In sports, it happens all the time.

Likewise, your office job isn't necessarily going to dump you just because you're unpopular, at least not as long as you're doing your job. But then, people aren't buying tickets to watch you work in your cubicle so image and marketing don't mean that much. In sports, they mean a lot.

And when it comes to getting in trouble with the law, even the best paper pusher is generally replaceable. Star athletes actually have it easier here. It's not unusual for them to get second, third and fourteenth chances if they're deemed valuable enough.  Heck, do you think Richie Incognito would still have a job if he were just somebody's administrative assistant?

The truth of it is that some guys are just their own worst enemies. And even with everybody giving them multiple chances and bending over backwards to help them, they'll still end up failing.

And again, it's nobody's fault but their own.

[Mr. Scot]

22 minutes ago, Toomers said:

   NFL says he won’t go in the Exempt List. But warns that could happen at any time if information becomes available during the investigation. 

They've said that he won't go on the exempt list as long as he remains unsigned. If any team actually signs him though, then that option is on the table again.

Is that a "read between the lines" message from the NFL? I don't know, but it wouldn't exactly be a big reach to interpret it that way.

In the meantime, they'll continue their investigation. Within that context, it's probably worth remembering that any form of witness harassment or intimidation is explicitly prohibited by the league's Personal Conduct Policy.

[onmyown]

5 hours ago, pantherj said:

Welp 2019 you're guilty until proven... well you're just guilty. Someone said so and so it must be true.

If he wasn’t presumed innocent he’d be in prison.

The feds is much much different than state. They chose what they go after. Their lawyers are top notch. They have a 97%+ conviction rate. I have worked in both state and fed and can easily say I am willing to bet money he’ll be convicted. Feds are the best of the best and they never take on a case they can’t go through with.

And no one is going to tell me to think someone is innocent just because they haven’t gone through trial. Everyone can have their opinion and should. He’ll just seeing his text is plenty to judge him off of.

He’s a piece of poo who continually proves that fact action after action, so time to think for yourself and connect the dots. 

It’s a shame people actually encourage other not to think for themselves. Not every found guilty by a court is guilty and not everyone found innocent is innocent, but keep letting these legal proceedings do the thinking for you.

[Toomers]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

They've said that he won't go on the exempt list as long as he remains unsigned. If any team actually signs him though, then that option is on the table again.

Is that a "read between the lines" message from the NFL? I don't know, but it wouldn't exactly be a big reach to interpret it that way.

In the meantime, they'll continue their investigation. Within that context, it's probably worth remembering that any form of witness harassment or intimidation is explicitly prohibited by the league's Personal Conduct Policy.

 I think it’s a message. I don’t think he will play this year. Beyond that depends on what else happens. 

[SBiii]

24 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

They've said that he won't go on the exempt list as long as he remains unsigned. If any team actually signs him though, then that option is on the table again.

You been saying he is going on the Exempt List for weeks...

...you been wrong all along.

Please exempt yourself.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, SBiii said:

You been saying he is going on the Exempt List for weeks...

...you been wrong all along.

Please exempt yourself.

Missing the point again, unsurprisingly...

The league says "we won't put him on the exempt list as long as nobody signs him."

In other words, don't even think about it.

And as long as nobody does, no worries.

[SBiii]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Missing the point again, unsurprisingly...

The league says "we won't put him on the exempt list as long as nobody signs him."

In other words, don't even think about it.

And as long as nobody does, no worries.

You repeatedly said he was going on the exempt list before he could suit up for the Patriots...

...never happened.

Blah, blah, blah....

...keep throwing mud on the wall, maybe something will stick for you at some point.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, SBiii said:

You repeatedly said he was going on the exempt list before he could suit up for the Patriots...

...never happened.

Blah, blah, blah....

...keep throwing mud on the wall, maybe something will stick for you at some point.

Me predicting specifically he'd go on before he ever suited up? Eeehh, no. But again, no surprise.

See, I'm not generally in the prediction business anyway. Analysis is more my thing. Mind you, I do sometimes report what other people predict, like for example mentioning that Florio believed signs were pointing in that direction.

Regardless, the Patriots releasing him is actually worse than his going on the exempt list anyway. 

[SBiii]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Me predicting specifically he'd go on before he ever suited up? Eeehh, no. But again, no surprise.

See, I'm not generally in the prediction business anyway. Analysis is more my thing. Mind you, I do sometimes report what other people predict, like for example mentioning that Florio believed signs were pointing in that direction.

Regardless, the Patriots releasing him is actually worse than his going on the exempt list anyway. 

Blah, blah, blah....