If Allen starts what was the 3rd round pick for Grier worth?

[micnificent28]

2 hours ago, Peon Awesome said:

Damn some of you are unbelievable. QB is by far the hardest position to jump into in the NFL. There are few rookie qbs ready to be an effective starter week 3, let alone a comp 3rd rounder. Haskins and Lock, the 2 qbs picked ahead of Grier (and way earlier at that) haven't shown enough to take over right now and it's not like they have all pros ahead of them. The only QBs with a chance early are usually top 10 picks and even then a lot of those don't cut it. And if we had moved up to draft one, people would be batting down the doors clamoring for Hurney's firing. This was already one of the weakest rated qb classes in years. You think Will Grier realistically should be lighting the world right now?

The funny thing is a bunch of people here were saying it was a major failure by Hurney that we didn't have a suitable backup qb plan last year. He actually tries to do something about it and no one's happy. We used our top 2 picks on arguably our two weakest positions at the time.  And then Hurney decided to use one of the last picks in the 3rd on someone that might grow to become a servicable backup or optimistically a decent starter in the future. Any qb drafted later than Grier is unlikely to have much more potential than what we can get out of Allen so what's the point? I didn't love the Grier pick but I understood it. And I'm not ready to write off Grier as a bust. He sure as hell could be one but none of this can say that right now. 

This is crap. Garner minshew came in after Foles went down and nearly Willed them to a win. The a whole a QB shouldn't be ready to play theory is old and out dated. Fact is that might have been true 15 years ago but the NFL is changing. Before college kids had to learn the pro game how to take snaps from under center and 3 to 5 step drops because it wasnt common in college. But today's NFL is reflecting the college game.

Look at how the game is played from the shotgun. If your good enough to get it done in college compete for championships and best player in the country trophies I don't see why you shouldn't be competent enough to do the exact same thing in the League. I'm not saying you should be Patrick Mahomes. But you should be able to throw for 200 yards and maybe 2-1 td ratio. A good coach would adapt to his quarterbacks skill set. Throw in a few plays the kid ran in his college system.

[micnificent28]

1 hour ago, TheRed said:

I get the "for the future" argument. But as the season progresses, there's still 14 games left, if the OL continues to hold us back, there's going to be more and more questions about the use of that 3rd rounder. Especially as other QB's are being put in sink or swim scenarios as rookies. It's what we did to Cam. I'd rather know what I have in a guy so I can move accordingly for next year. Seems like the "old school" types who probably lobbied for Billy Volek in 2011 are the ones wanting to sit him for a year so bad. It's almost 2020 guys. Either he can play QB, or he can't.

This.... seems like the older huddlers and boomers have this mindset that rookies just can't play the game right away. This isn't 20 years ago. The college offenses are now ran exactly as they were in college in the pros. This isn't I formation learning to snap the ball from center without tripping over your feet. Most of it is from the gun in a 3-4 wr set. You either can play or you cant.

[pantherj]

25 minutes ago, bull123 said:

If Allen can’t get it done, we don’t have to try to tank

Well the try to tank part might come if a team already a lock for the playoffs pulls their starters. We need to respond by pulling our starters to ensure very high picks.

[Carl Spackler]

56 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

This is crap. Garner minshew came in after Foles went down and nearly Willed them to a win. The a whole a QB shouldn't be ready to play theory is old and out dated. Fact is that might have been true 15 years ago but the NFL is changing. Before college kids had to learn the pro game how to take snaps from under center and 3 to 5 step drops because it wasnt common in college. But today's NFL is reflecting the college game.

Look at how the game is played from the shotgun. If your good enough to get it done in college compete for championships and best player in the country trophies I don't see why you shouldn't be competent enough to do the exact same thing in the League. I'm not saying you should be Patrick Mahomes. But you should be able to throw for 200 yards and maybe 2-1 td ratio. A good coach would adapt to his quarterbacks skill set. Throw in a few plays the kid ran in his college system.

I guarantee he’d throw for 200 yards. Hell hs basically did that in half a game against Pittsburgh

[dgr8one]

I don't see kyle allen surviving past this game behind this oline.

We will see the great 3rd round pick sooner or later.

[beastson]

5 minutes ago, dgr8one said:

I don't see kyle allen surviving past this game behind this oline.

We will see the great 3rd round pick sooner or later.

And what's going to happen to him? lol

[RumHam]

6 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

So you drafted Grier for insurance incase Newton isn't healthy and here we are.. only you are turning to an undrafted free agent who was on the roster last year and beat out your insurance policy in preseason. This is the exact reason hurney needs to be canned. Throwing away third round picks pissing in our faces and calling it rain. It's not just this pick, Its almost any pick after the first round.

All I'm saying is if you are passing potential starters in the 3rd round and swinging at "insurance policies" I want to see that plan come to fruition. Looks like he is scrapping that policy as well and these kind of mistakes can't be allowed any longer.

Hurney magic

[GoPanthers123]

This is the scenario Grier is actual useful.  We are in a weak division this year, just need to outlast the other teams with some depth.

[Jon Snow]

17 minutes ago, GoPanthers123 said:

This is the scenario Grier is actual useful.  We are in a weak division this year, just need to outlast the other teams with some depth.

This is pretty much where we find ourselves.

[ncfan]

Grier and Allen are basically the same dam player.  Did not understand the pick.  Felt like Hurney getting to local happy like the Armanti pick.  Watched Grier at senior bowl week and he didnt look good at all.  You could tell he had the tools to a long term project for a backup.  But litterally looked no different than Allen.  

 

Ill let you figure it out but ill give you a player a and player b

 

A. 24 years old 6'2 217, highly touted top QB out of HS, started out strong at a SEC school.  Started out strong, ended up transferring 

B.  23 years old 6'3 211, highly touted top QB out of HS, started out strong at a SEC school leading the SEC in efficiency.  Ended up transferring