If Allen starts what was the 3rd round pick for Grier worth?

[rippadonn]

38 minutes ago, CRA said:

it was only a couple years ago....that any rookie touching the field in year 1 was considered  bad management.   That was top QBs picked. 

now people are like, dang if the 3rd round rookie isn't ready to be good week 3 of his rookie year it was a wasted pick. 

Nope. I was just saying that any 3rd round pick at QB should be better than a UDFA. If not the GM failed.

Yes, play him. If he's your long term project you play him. If you spend 3rd, which is pretty high you gotta run that car.

[rippadonn]

I've got nothing against Allen. I really like his game. He himself knew the writing was on the wall when they drafted a QB in the 3rd.

If Cams down its Grier time doing otherwise would be a mistake. Have Allen back up your future.

[RumHam]

Nope and thats the disconnect of hurney and ronnie

[GoobyPls]

Should have never drafted him in the first place 

[Sgt Schultz]

52 minutes ago, CatTower said:

How many teams in the NFL have 2 QBs that are strong starters?

None coming to me off the top of my head, but I guess it depends on the definition of "strong."  If you consider Tannehill strong, then the Titans have Mariota and Tannehill.  The rest (if not including Tannehill) are a small group of solid #2s who probably aren't starters.  Tyrod Taylor behind Rivers with the Chargers.  Maybe Glennon behind Carr in Las Vegas, uh, Oakland, but that may be stretching things.

The last team that had a backup that could be dealt somewhere as a starter without concealing a grin was Philly with Foles behind Wentz, and some debate about who should have been behind the other on the depth chart. 

[Bartin]

5 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

None coming to me off the top of my head, but I guess it depends on the definition of "strong."  If you consider Tannehill strong, then the Titans have Mariota and Tannehill.  The rest (if not including Tannehill) are a small group of solid #2s who probably aren't starters.  Tyrod Taylor behind Rivers with the Chargers.  Maybe Glennon behind Carr in Las Vegas, uh, Oakland, but that may be stretching things.

The last team that had a backup that could be dealt somewhere as a starter without concealing a grin was Philly with Foles behind Wentz, and some debate about who should have been behind the other on the depth chart. 

The 49ers have Nick Mullens who really flashed last year when he got an opportunity and the Colts had Luck and Brissett, but yes it is a very short list.

[Cuttinedge]

1 hour ago, t96 said:

Grier will develop and is a longer term solution as backup or to compete for the starting job. Right now Kyle is more ready.

Grier better be ready cause Allen ain’t making it to the second half with DW at LT 

[Jon Snow]

I would say that he's very likely to get significant playing time this season, if he survives.  I would say that's worth a 4th.

[Peon Awesome]

Damn some of you are unbelievable. QB is by far the hardest position to jump into in the NFL. There are few rookie qbs ready to be an effective starter week 3, let alone a comp 3rd rounder. Haskins and Lock, the 2 qbs picked ahead of Grier (and way earlier at that) haven't shown enough to take over right now and it's not like they have all pros ahead of them. The only QBs with a chance early are usually top 10 picks and even then a lot of those don't cut it. And if we had moved up to draft one, people would be batting down the doors clamoring for Hurney's firing. This was already one of the weakest rated qb classes in years. You think Will Grier realistically should be lighting the world right now?

The funny thing is a bunch of people here were saying it was a major failure by Hurney that we didn't have a suitable backup qb plan last year. He actually tries to do something about it and no one's happy. We used our top 2 picks on arguably our two weakest positions at the time.  And then Hurney decided to use one of the last picks in the 3rd on someone that might grow to become a servicable backup or optimistically a decent starter in the future. Any qb drafted later than Grier is unlikely to have much more potential than what we can get out of Allen so what's the point? I didn't love the Grier pick but I understood it. And I'm not ready to write off Grier as a bust. He sure as hell could be one but none of this can say that right now. 

[jumpman910]

Liked Grier, not enough to draft him for us, but once I saw how things were trending I was mentally prepared for the pick and was just happy it wasn't in the 2nd.

With that said: the worst possible scenario, that was always on the table with the Grier pick, looks like its closer to happening than any of us would've imagined.

- Taking him over other needs

- Backup improves; Grier doesn't beat him out

- "ALL IN" season goes to poo (trending that way)

- New regime drafts their guy

- Grier doesn't beat out the new gm/coaches qb choice

- Those needs we had at Grier's pick still exist.

 Not harping on or being negative, just observing. Hopefully Grier is the guy and can naturally improve but if the worse of the worse happens he probably wont get a fair shake and that'll make the pick used look even worse. 

[TheRed]

I get the "for the future" argument. But as the season progresses, there's still 14 games left, if the OL continues to hold us back, there's going to be more and more questions about the use of that 3rd rounder. Especially as other QB's are being put in sink or swim scenarios as rookies. It's what we did to Cam. I'd rather know what I have in a guy so I can move accordingly for next year. Seems like the "old school" types who probably lobbied for Billy Volek in 2011 are the ones wanting to sit him for a year so bad. It's almost 2020 guys. Either he can play QB, or he can't.

[L-TownCat]

Grier is not an NFL QB neither is Allen.  Nor are the multitudes of other JAGs that held clipboards.

Not even all 32 teams have 1 QB let alone a 2nd they can trot out when the starter goes down.

 

Season over folks.  pack it in.  The doldrums have arrived.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

29 minutes ago, Peon Awesome said:

The funny thing is a bunch of people here were saying it was a major failure by Hurney that we didn't have a suitable backup qb plan last year.

Are you saying we did?

[pantherj]

Grier was pick 100. He's supposed to be our future backup imo. Our future starting QB will likely be picked 1-5 in the 1st round imo. I didn't want the Panthers to draft a QB because if Cam were done then we'd need a top 5 pick to replace him. If Grier led us to enough wins to draft lower, then we'd be screwed. Basically if Cam is done then tank the season.