Starting Allen: A blessing in disguise?

[top dawg]

4 minutes ago, Captroop said:

This team isn't set up for ANY QB to perform well. Maybe if we re-shuffle the offensive line (god, I get chills using that phrase again) I'd have a better feeling about his prospects. But I feel like any QB we send out there is being set up for failure. So I'd rather start a guy who can just go in and manage us for the season; not someone we might have intentions for in the future.

You know, you could be absolutely right, and I must admit that the odds aren't in our favor, but one thing that has been sticking in.my claw that I'm loath to admit, is that if we had a QB that could actually throw the ball the last couple of weeks, I think we win both games fairly comfortably, especially Thursday's disappointing loss. But I say we win both! And that's with our current line!

[Seltzer]

Kyler Murray is talented, but the objective truth is that Panthers have more talent across the board than the Cardinals.

If the Panthers coaching staff cannot put together a winning gameplan against a rookie QB with this team, even potentially without Cam, it is another indictment of their ability and another nail in the coffin.

Kyle Allen certainly doesn't have the dynamic ability of Murray, but he is in his 2nd year and should know this offense. He has the arm to make deep throws and stop defenses from selling out to stop CMC. That is the biggest thing.

We have a ton of money invested in the defensive line and a defensive head coach. Again, if we can't gameplan to contain Murray, then it's another indication it's time to move on.

With our without Cam, this game Sunday is on paper arguably the easiest game left on the schedule.

There are no excuses... not for us fans, and certainly not for David Tepper

[KillerKat]

22 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

If Cam does have to miss significant time it’s going to put a lot of pressure on Ron and Hurney to adapt and try to win without Cam.

Losing Cam this year would most likely cost Ron, Hurney and others their jobs.

Hope you're right about that, but it could also mean Tepper falls for Rivera's tricks again and give them another year with a healthy QB.

[BrianS]

22 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

We're going to learn a lot about Cam and a lot about our coaching in the next couple of games if Cam has to sit. It could clash with a few of the narratives here. We may find that injuries to Cam really are the problem. We could find that Ron and the Turners can actually coach without having Cam to lean on. We may find out that any man less than Cam will get carted off the field in a stretcher behind that offensive line.

We just don't know. 

The hard to accept fact amongst all the thunder and grief right now is that we are just a couple of blown calls away from being 2-0 in truth. Both games featured a bad call that either did or could have broke the game in our favor. Had those gone the other way, we'd be talking about how we were sitting in the driver's seat of an NFCSouth that is going in a completely different direction than expected.

I'm hoping Cam heals up and gets the mojo back. I'm hoping that Ron's coaching is good. And I'm hoping that Allen shows he's got some good stuff, too. More than anything, I'm hoping that the other 52 guys on the team not named Cam are out to prove they are winners in their own right.

Not much to disagree with there.  I do not like the appearance that Cam never recovered from the foot injury despite the staff telling us he was fine.  That bothers me.  But Ron has NEVER had anything to say about injuries, so I don't expect that will change.

[hepcat]

5 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

Hope you're right about that, but it could also mean Tepper falls for Rivera's tricks again and give them another year with a healthy QB.

Ticket sales would be 0 if he keeps Rivera through another dismal season. Tepper ain't gonna do that.

[Seltzer]

2 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

Hope you're right about that, but it could also mean Tepper falls for Rivera's tricks again and give them another year with a healthy QB.

I dont think so... even if Tepper was willing to concede that another year of failure was on the starting QB going down (which personally I don't), he still is a smart man and can gauge where this fanbase is... 

You could 100% absolve Rivera and Hurney and it doesn't change the fact that if the team doesn't perform this year their time is up.

Rivera and Hurney have had good runs, and I personally will remember their comsmitment to this franchise, but their shelf lives have expired 

[top dawg]

The fact is, Cam was not special in any shape, fashion or form. He wasn't throwing well, and his escape-ability was certainly not existent. He wasn't scrambling. He was very much mortal, and honestly it can't get much worse--probably only better from where I'm sitting. Does all this mean we're going to win in the desert, well...With current Cam, we lose anyway.

And I know you're worried about spoiling Grier, but at least he has a healthy arm and legs, and youthful exuberance.

[top dawg]

9 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

Hope you're right about that, but it could also mean Tepper falls for Rivera's tricks again and give them another year with a healthy QB.

Why would you hope he's right? I hope he's wrong and one of the younger QBs secures everyone's job and our joy.

[Black&BlueBubba]

46 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

If Cam does have to miss significant time it’s going to put a lot of pressure on Ron and Hurney to adapt and try to win without Cam.

Losing Cam this year would most likely cost Ron, Hurney and others their jobs.

Cam has saved their jobs a 100 times.  It would be fitting that him not being there exposes them for who they are. 

[Wyank]

1 hour ago, hepcat said:

might even open up the playbook.

 

 

 

live look at Ron trying to open up the playbook.

[Seltzer]

I don't really know how much of a drop-off there would honestly be at the moment going from Newton to Allen.  You certainly aren't going to call power running plays for Allen, but overall his mobility might be on par with Cam with a bad foot.  I can't see how his accuracy could be any worse.

I don't think the single-high defensive look is going to change regardless of who is at QB until the team proves they can beat it.  That is on the WR's and the Oline also.  We have playmakers on offense.  The Oline has to give the QB time, the WR have to win their match-ups, and the QB has to throw good balls

It's that simple... and the frustrating thing is that the team has been close. Nobody wants to hear this b/c we are 0-2, but it's not like the Panthers have been outclassed on the field. The Panthers have the talent to compete and win.  

Maybe out-coached and out-executed, but the Panthers are still a couple of bounces and non-calls in the Rams game and half-a-yard in the Bucs game from being 2-0.  This is the NFL.

This is where Rivera needs to earn his paycheck and validate his coach of the year titles.  He needs the defense to play like they have been while cleaning up some of the run fits.  Norv has got to give Williams some help, and the Oline has simply got to do better.

Nobody feels sorry for you in the NFL.  This is still a very winnable game.  

To me, this is like 2013 all over again.  That team had their backs against the wall, and responded with 8 straight wins.

Outside of Cam not being 100%, there is equal if not more talent on paper for this squad.

It's time to perform

 

[OneBadCat]

1 hour ago, hepcat said:

With Cam Newton dealing with a lingering foot injury, the Panthers are staring down the cold hard realty of life after Cam Newton. Kyle Allen is first in line to start on Sunday.

While Allen is likely not even as good as 50% of Cam Newton, it could be a blessing in disguise. It forces the Panthers to adapt to life after Cam Newton, and might even open up the playbook.

While Kyle Allen doesn't have the same arm talent as a healthy Cam Newton, he has more ability to throw the deep ball right now. The stone cold fact is, Cam Newton has not had the same ability to throw the deep ball since before his 2016 shoulder injury.

If Allen can hit Samuel or Moore deep, or at the very least offer the threat of the deep ball, it will force opposing defenses to stop playing Cover 1 and open up the underneath game for Christian McCaffrey. And while we might not be able to rely on Allen to win games with his arm, opening up space for McCaffrey might win games.

If Allen struggles, then it's onto Will Grier, who is obviously not ready. By then, it might be too late and Cam should be on IR. 

I am cautiously optimistic, but preparing for the worst. 

 

 

I think Allen can win us a couple games to let Cam heal. He’s talented enough to pull it off. We might have to play Fox ball and do a lot of run and play action but it might work the guys we’ve got at WR. Best case scenario is Allen gets us to .500 or before Cams ready to return.

[rhyslloyd]

At this rate, we'll be drafting the replacement for Cam's replacement next season.

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, TheRed said:

There's no "blessing in disguise" in starting a young QB behind the current state of our offensive line.

We better give our LT some help.

Why won't we help our tackles?