Derek Anderson , Damian Lewis talks about Cam

[Bronn]

I was all like, "WHO TF IS DAMIAN LEWIS?!?!?"

Then I realized you meant Damione Lewis.

[beastson]

21 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Uuuhhh, no. That would be Marty Hurney. Jerry Richardson only approved the decisions. Add in that Jerry Richardson wanted to fire Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney stopped him.

As to our roster, it has some definite weak points. We went into this season depending on older guys (Greg Olsen), guys who were coming off of injury (Matt Paradis) and guys who had lousy seasons (Dontari Poe) at important spots. Throw in that we very easily could have made an offer to a veteran backup quarterback like Josh McCown, but we chose instead to go with Kyle Allen. Plus there's dumbass decisions like going with Torrey Smith. Oh, and the whole Graham Gano / Harrison Butker thing.

Face it, dude. Hurney just isn't good enough. 

Do you have valid proof of this?

We know JR ran this team, HIS team

As far as my question that you didn't answer, no TB roster isn't better than ours. This isn't the NBA, you can't have the Golden State Warriors roster, a probowler for each position. Coaches make do with what they have and Ron sucks at it

It doesn't matter who's the GM when Ron is here. Hurney can go get Antonio Brown and Jalen Ramsey, I bet we won't win the SB. We had 2 over .500 seasons under Gettleman. The first team in NFL history to go 15-1 and miss the playoffs the next season. The first team since the 2008 Patriots to miss the playoffs the next season after going to the SB. The 2008 Patriots, without Brady like I said, went 11-5. Not 6-10. All of that including Cam career altering injury came up under Gettleman watch, not Hurney. He drafted the guy who couldn't fight for the ball to prevent the interception, the guy who did a half-assed effort to tackle the defender after the interception, which caused Cam to try to prevent a TD from happening.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, beastson said:

Do you have valid proof of this?

We know JR ran this team, HIS team

As far as my question that you didn't answer, no TB roster isn't better than ours. This isn't the NBA, you can't have the Golden State Warriors roster, a probowler for each position. Coaches make do with what they have and Ron sucks at it

It doesn't matter who's the GM when Ron is here. Hurney can go get Antonio Brown and Jalen Ramsey, I bet we won't win the SB. We had 2 over .500 seasons under Gettleman. The first team in NFL history to go 15-1 and miss the playoffs the next season. The first team since the 2008 Patriots to miss the playoffs the next season after going to the SB. The 2008 Patriots, without Brady like I said, went 11-5. Not 6-10. All of that including Cam career altering injury came up under Gettleman watch, not Hurney. He drafted the guy who couldn't fight for the ball to prevent the interception, the guy who did a half-assed effort to tackle the defender after the interception, which caused Cam to try to prevent a TD from happening.

Joe Person and Bill Voth have both confirmed that Marty fell on his sword to save Ron Rivera from the wrath of Jerry Richardson in 2012. So not only did Marty hire him, he protected him.

Not sure why you want to try and absolve Marty Hurney from his mistakes, but let me ask you this: Do you think if he gets fired here, other teams are going to be beating down his door looking for his services?

They sure as hell didn't last time.

It's generally acknowledged that Ron Rivera will have another job shortly after being fired here. Can you make a case that the same will be true for Marty?

[PanthersNC1984]

1 hour ago, beastson said:

Why fire Hurney if things don't turn around? He went and got pieces for the defense. He didn't tell the coaches to switch Williams and Moton. Its not Hurney fault Cam shoulder fuged up and its taking time that we don't have to work through it. The same goes for Gettleman. They both put "enough" pieces around to NOT lose 9 out of last 10

That's Ronald to blame. I understand the concept of cleaning house and Hurney goes, cool but don't put the blame at Hurney feet for this.

Because when have half measures EVER worked? Fire the coach/keep the GM or vice versa= spinning wheels.

This team needs a complete overhaul with new EVERYTHING, blow it up from the GM to the coaching to even the players via a fire sale. Enough is enough already.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, PanthersNC1984 said:

Because when have half measures EVER worked? Fire the coach/keep the GM or vice versa= spinning wheels.

This team needs a complete overhaul with new EVERYTHING, blow it up from the GM to the coaching to even the players via a fire sale. Enough is enough already.

Throw in that if you genuinely did have a chance and a guy like Kevin Colbert and you chose instead to stick with Marty Hurney, you'd be branded an Idiot of the First Order

(and you'd deserve it)

[Diehardpanther02]

Well hopefully his rehab includes routes with receivers to develop the timing and muscles needed to get him back on track.

[Montsta]

If Cam can’t play properly until mid season then we will be 1-7 and there will no longer be a need to play him at all but nope Ronnie The Destroyer of talent will march him out there in a bid to save his own ass and fug him up for 2020 and beyond. 

[BrianS]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm saying winning seasons are hard to come by when Marty Hurney is in charge.

That's not a coincidence.

Is it really tho?  Look at who his coaches have been.

John Fox, who is a career .520 coach.  He was only "good" when he had Manning as his QB.  Not sure that counts tbh.  If you remove "the Manning years" from his resume, Fox is 95-113 (.457) as a head coach.

Ron Rivera, who is a career .544 coach.  He hasn't been any sort of consistent around here, except consistently inconsistent.

I know that "in theory" the GM has control of who the coach is, but I wonder sometimes how much is the GM and how much is the Owner.  Ron can at times be a good coach, but he hasn't proven consistent yet, and that is increasingly a problem.  Yea, he's had some tough breaks with his QB basically being broken since 2016, but at some point you gotta win.

[KillerKat]

Even Anderson knows there's a difference between LT and RT. Rivera still hasn't figured that out yet.

[Seltzer]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Joe Person and Bill Voth have both confirmed that Marty fell on his sword to save Ron Rivera from the wrath of Jerry Richardson in 2012. So not only did Marty hire him, he protected him.

Not sure why you want to try and absolve Marty Hurney from his mistakes, but let me ask you this: Do you think if he gets fired here, other teams are going to be beating down his door looking for his services?

They sure as hell didn't last time.

It's generally acknowledged that Ron Rivera will have another job shortly after being fired here. Can you make a case that the same will be true for Marty?

I agree with everything you've said, but I personally think Hurney has done a better job since he has returned than Rivera has.

Regardless, GM's who flame out rarely get 2nd chances- Hurney got his even if it was in a very unconventional way.

I would be shocked if he got another chance for sure just given the nature of his position

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Rivera is the same guy who thought Amini Silatolu gave us a better chance to win than Andrew Norwell until he was forced to make a change due to injury. That's just one of a number of questionable personnel decisions he's made.

As far as trusting Rivera when it comes to the depth chart, he's never done enough to earn that trust, and I don't believe he ever will. That's just not in his skill set.

As to the GM, we're not talking about a game to game impact here. You can't change GM's in the middle of a season and expect improvement. By the time the season has started, the GM's work is mostly done.

But do they affect the quality of the team? Absolutely.

Just like before, the team has trended downward since Marty Hurney took over. You can blame other factors, just as I'm sure you could go back and look at his original GM stint and try to find excuses there too.

What you can't do though, is look at his body of work (even the supposed 2.0 version) and say "this man knows how to build a successful football team". Pick out individual moves that you like all you want, but the big picture is the only thing that matters.

Marty Hurney's "big picture" looks like a finger painting by a first grader.

Rivera's questionable personnel decisions are well known. Only one way to fix it at this point and it's moving quickly in that direction.

For Hurney, your views have been discussed at length before. I don't agree, which I have stated before. He's a below average GM, something we have had for most of the history of the franchise, and certainly the last roughly 20 years. I don't think he is largely to blame for the predicament we are currently in, although he contributed.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, BrianS said:

Is it really tho?  Look at who his coaches have been.

John Fox, who is a career .520 coach.  He was only "good" when he had Manning as his QB.  Not sure that counts tbh.  If you remove "the Manning years" from his resume, Fox is 95-113 (.457) as a head coach.

Ron Rivera, who is a career .544 coach.  He hasn't been any sort of consistent around here, except consistently inconsistent.

I know that "in theory" the GM has control of who the coach is, but I wonder sometimes how much is the GM and how much is the Owner.  Ron can at times be a good coach, but he hasn't proven consistent yet, and that is increasingly a problem.  Yea, he's had some tough breaks with his QB basically being broken since 2016, but at some point you gotta win.

There's nothing in Hurney's history, including his current stint, that inspires me to believe this is the guy I want controlling the direction of my franchise in years to come.

We've seen what Marty has. He's mediocre, at best.

Time to get somebody new, and actually qualified.

[CPcavedweller]

4 hours ago, mc52beast said:

Former b/u qb Derek Anderson and d lineman Damian Lewis were interviewed on WFNZ,;

Said only idiots judge Cam on what he wears

Said his sprain is still bothering him, one reason why he isn’t running. Could be mid season before he can run effectively.

Said his shoulder is probably fine, just needs to get time with his weapons and get comfortable in the pocket

Said it’s not Cam’s fault that the o-line is allowing so much pressure

Said Darryl Williams need to be moved, start Greg Little

Said Hurney, Ron and others will lose their jobs if things don’t turn around

Troy Aikman said Cam's foot was still bothering him. Said it was obvious because he wasn't stepping into his throws and missing very high, meaning he wasn't putting proper weight on that foot to drive the ball down. 

[CPcavedweller]

Start Allen. At least he can run when needed. Cam isn't Tom Brady in the pocket and at this point, doesn't have the same zip as Brady. Let a 100% healthy Allen come in and lets get the offense going.