Steve Wilks

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, WeBlitz said:

I think there’s a limit. You can still be a bad team, but remain competitive. There have been plenty of first year coaches like that. They went on to have success. Wilks didn’t. He also refused to adapt  throughout the year. I respect Arizona for not sticking with an obvious bad HC that was in over his head. I don’t think he should have gotten a HC hire in the first place.

It's arguable.

But through, what, three or four head coaches now, the one common denominator in all of the Cardinals failures has been Steve Keim.

Word is that he's got a really chummy relationship with Bill Bidwill and that's how he escapes taking any responsibility for all the team's failures.

Lord knows we've seen now that model works.

[WeBlitz]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

It's arguable.

But through, what, three or four head coaches now, the one common denominator in all of the Cardinals failures has been Steve Keim.

Word is that he's got a really chummy relationship with Bill Bidwill and that's how he escapes taking any responsibility for all the team's failures.

Lord knows we've seen now that model works.

Bruce Arians was his first hire. 

He complied a 39-24-1 record there.

Keim is bad, but I do respect them for not sticking with an obvious horrific hire in Wilks. Problem is Keim should have went out with him. I still have doubts that Wilks is even a above-average DC. 

[4Corners]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Wilks got fired because Steve Keim is a dumbass and he needed a scapegoat for a bad season. A smarter man would have given him time to grow into the role.

 

Keim is indeed a dumbass. His NC State degree is evidence of that.

[KillaCamNewton]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Wilks got fired because Steve Keim is a dumbass and he needed a scapegoat for a bad season. A smarter man would have given him time to grow into the role.

 

false. i lived in phoenix till february and watched every game since they would always come on after the Panthers. Wilks was a mess. he scrapped a defense that was solid and tried to switch to a 3-4 and it was a disaster. he also had zero interest in doing anything with the offense and left it to a garbage Mike McCoy. he was what Ron Rivera is now that Cam cant bail him out anymore

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, KillaCamNewton said:

false. i lived in phoenix till february and watched every game since they would always come on after the Panthers. Wilks was a mess. he scrapped a defense that was solid and tried to switch to a 3-4 and it was a disaster. he also had zero interest in doing anything with the offense and left it to a garbage Mike McCoy. he was what Ron Rivera is now that Cam cant bail him out anymore

First-year coaches frequently are a mess. There was a guy named Belichick who got fired by the Browns because he wasn't that good. He did okay later on when somebody was more patient with him.

I don't know whether Wilks can be a good NFL head coach or not, but I do know two things:

One, he should have been given more time.

And two, Steve Keim sucks as a GM.

 

[KillaCamNewton]

30 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

First-year coaches frequently are a mess. There was a guy named Belichick who got fired by the Browns because he wasn't that good. He did okay later on when somebody was more patient with him.

I don't know whether Wilks can be a good NFL head coach or not, but I do know two things:

One, he should have been given more time.

And two, Steve Keim sucks as a GM.

 

context matters. i agree Keim sucks, that being said, they got the first pick in the draft, Murray was the obvious choice since Rosen didnt show much, and they went and got a young guy that was an innovative coach, ran the same system Murray did in college, and played QB in the league. Drafting Murray and keeping Wilks would have been moronic since Wilks had zero interest in developing a QB. it would have been Fox and Pickles all over again

[WeBlitz]

42 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

First-year coaches frequently are a mess. There was a guy named Belichick who got fired by the Browns because he wasn't that good. He did okay later on when somebody was more patient with him.

I don't know whether Wilks can be a good NFL head coach or not, but I do know two things:

One, he should have been given more time.

And two, Steve Keim sucks as a GM.

 

Bill went 6-10 his first year in Cleveland. 6 of those losses were by 4 points or less. One of those losses were by more than 20+ points.

Wilks went 3-13 last year. 4 of those losses were by 4 points or less. 5 of those losses were by more than 20+ points.

 

In absolutely no situation they’re comparable. Wilks’ first year was a mess of epic proportions. Arizona did the right thing firing a guy who was stuck in 1964.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, WeBlitz said:

Bill went 6-10 his first year in Cleveland. 6 of those losses were by 4 points or less. One of those losses were by more than 20+ points.

Wilks went 3-13 last year. 4 of those losses were by 4 points or less. 5 of those losses were by more than 20+ points.

In absolutely no situation they’re comparable. Wilks’ first year was a mess of epic proportions. Arizona did the right thing firing a guy who was stuck in 1964.

They're comparable because patience matters.

People think Bill Belichick went to New England and was an instant success. That's not really true. The Patriots didn't really become the team they are now until they were forced to start a guy by the name of Brady because the chosen starter, Drew Bledsoe, got hurt.

Dumping a head coach because his rookie season wasn't good is no different than dumping a rookie player because he wasn't an All-Pro in his first year.

[WeBlitz]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

They're comparable because patience matters.

People think Bill Belichick went to New England and was an instant success. That's not really true. The Patriots didn't really become the team they are now until they were forced to start a guy by the name of Brady because the chosen starter, Drew Bledsoe, got hurt.

Dumping a head coach because his rookie season wasn't good is no different than dumping a rookie player because he wasn't an All-Pro in his first year.

Bill’s 1st season in NE, despite being bad, remained competitive. That’s my point. You build on that competitiveness going into the future. There were positives there. There was absolutely no positives with Wilks as the HC. He looked as lost as a puppy.

And no, not really. That rookie player doesn’t have control over the whole team. That rookie player can show glimpses of greatness without being an All-Pro. Wilks absolutely showed no glimpses of greatness. None at all.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, WeBlitz said:

Bill’s 1st season in NE, despite being bad, remained competitive. That’s my point. You build on that competitiveness going into the future. There were positives there. There was absolutely no positives with Wilks as the HC. He looked as lost as a puppy.

And no, not really. That rookie player doesn’t have control over the whole team. That rookie player can show glimpses of greatness without being an All-Pro. Wilks absolutely showed no glimpses of greatness. None at all.

The principle is the same. And Belichick is only a single example.

New coaches are just about always coming into bad situations. You have to give them time.

Again, to be clear, I'm not saying Steve Wilks is a great head coach.

I'm saying one season isn't enough to know one way or the other.