Until you start winning clean it up!

[Castavar]

Clean what up? His fashion? So, when we win his fashion is ok, but when we lose it's not? So, a man that's comfortable in his own clothes (whether it is controversial or not) is now told to clean up his act? Yikes. This is why you gotta just look out for yourself in this world. People will turn on you in an instant.

[TheRed]

Dictating what is or isn't acceptable attire depending on the outcome of a game that literally exists for entertainment is a very bizarre stance.

Sounds like it's about more than just winning games. I'm trying to recall a precedent like this for an athlete, and I'm drawing a blank. Anyone else?

[Castavar]

Just now, TheRed said:

Dictating what is or isn't acceptable attire depending on the outcome of a game that literally exists for entertainment is a very bizarre stance.

Sounds like it's about more than just winning games. I'm trying to recall a precedent like this for an athlete, and I'm drawing a blank. Anyone else?

Maybe Russell Westbrook? IDK.

[Seltzer]

4 minutes ago, PanthersBigD said:

What he wears has NOTHING to do with whether we win or lose. You all can't be this stupid...can you?

You're not wrong, but Cam is the face of the Carolina Panthers.  Most companies have dress codes

I am usually all about Cam expressing himself; however, this is the worst losing streak the Panthers have been on with Cam starting since he has been here.

It would not kill Cam to wear something more conservative at the moment.  If your company was failing (and in danger of being a laughingstock), would you want your company representative going to a press conference?

I wouldn't.  It's nothing more than that.

[TheRed]

This thread should be stickied IMO because this place and our fanbase is frankly becoming more than a little insidious with this stuff. It's just plain ugly.

[PanthersBigD]

1 minute ago, Seltzer said:

You're not wrong, but Cam is the face of the Carolina Panthers.  Most companies have dress codes

I am usually all about Cam expressing himself; however, this is the worst losing streak the Panthers have been on with Cam starting since he has been here.

It would not kill Cam to wear something more conservative at the moment.  If your company was failing (and in danger of being a laughingstock), would you want your company representative going to a press conference?

I wouldn't.  It's nothing more than that.

The griping about his flashy clothes doesn't surprise me, it's just silly to focus on something irrelevant to the game. Do you think Cam is going to throw a better ball wearing a Brooks Brothers suit on Sundays? No. This is just nitpicking because we all deep down realize we're powerless to do anything about our team's slump, so we fixate on minutiae. 

You also can't really compare a professional athlete's/celebrity's work attire to someone who works a corporate job. It's apples to oranges. 

[Seltzer]

I'm not going to die on this hill- I really don't care that much.  People are entitled to their opinions, including Cam.

Again, though, Cam is the face of the franchise... a franchise that is in a tailspin right at the moment.

It doesn't matter to me personally (my opinion of Cam isn't going to change), but everyone I know who is not a Panthers fan (and many who are) point to Cam's attire and correlates that to being a reason for Cam's failure and as a laughingstock for the Panthers organization overall.

What Cam wears isn't going to change the outcome of any game, but it does affect outside perception.

I would prefer my QB dress is a manner that didn't bring more negative attention- that is all.  I still appreciate Cam, but I am in agreement with Jim Celania on this.

[ColumbusCounty]

C'mon bro ... let the man live. 

Should he also walk home instead of driving his foreign vehicle.

I honestly wish he would go to that podium this Sunday night ...after the win (yes I said it) wearing his panther's uniform with an Auburn helmet. 

[ellis]

Fashion talk. 

[Anybodyhome]

21 minutes ago, Castavar said:

So, when we win his fashion is ok, but when we lose it's not?

Exactly.

Look, I'm what most of you guys consider the old, white guy in the room. But most of you guys also know me as being pretty fugging progressive and this kind of sh!t doesn't effect me one way or the other. However, I am reminded of the Chris Rock gig, "I ain't sayin' it's right, but I understand."

And yes, if you win a football game by 30 points, nobody cares what the fug you do at a post-game presser. But, when you lose games, it's a completely different story. For those of you who have yet to figure that out after watching years upon years of football, I got nothin' for ya, except open your ignorant eyes. 

"According to Radio + Television Business Report (RBR.com) the age of live sports viewers is skewing older. Much older. Today the average NFL viewer is at least 50." July 2019.

If you honestly believe that this is not about the average football viewer (50+ years old) taking issue with a young black man and the clothes he wears and whether or not the W-L record makes any difference, then you are blind and have your head in the sand.

And one more thing.... didn't Cam get benched for not wearing a fugging tie once, not too long ago? Some of the same people bitching about what he wears these days were likely some of the same people who said he should have sat out the entire game for not wearing a fugging tie.... in an airplane.... among his teammates..... at 30,000 feet...... where nobody else sees him.

[Harbingers]

18 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

He means Cam needs to wear something more traditional and less "all ovet the place" to take the focus off his attire while the team is mired in this losing streak

Who the fug gives a poo what he wears? He wears spandex on a field for a living. 

[Harbingers]

11 minutes ago, TheRed said:

This thread should be stickied IMO because this place and our fanbase is frankly becoming more than a little insidious with this stuff. It's just plain ugly.

Not be a “Cam Homer” I’ll second that. As I said above he wears spandex for a living. I’d love to see him come in, in a 80’s spandex jumper and that’s it. 

[CRA]

11 minutes ago, Castavar said:

Clean what up? His fashion? So, when we win his fashion is ok, but when we lose it's not? So, a man that's comfortable in his own clothes (whether it is controversial or not) is now told to clean up his act? Yikes. This is why you gotta just look out for yourself in this world. People will turn on you in an instant.

Well I would say there are many who believe there is truth to what he is saying...

Take TNF.  We got absolutely embarrassed....and here comes Cam with his look at me post game routine.  Because Cam has essentially turned and treats his postgame interviews as a fashion catwalk.  I’d be embarrassed to put all the work in on that outfit after that TNF game. 

I’m a much bigger fan of pouted/temper tantrum post game Cam, personally.   People could criticize that and did.  But I liked the old Cam personality, on field and after games.  

 

[PanthersBigD]

5 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

I'm not going to die on this hill- I really don't care that much.  People are entitled to their opinions, including Cam.

Again, though, Cam is the face of the franchise... a franchise that is in a tailspin right at the moment.

It doesn't matter to me personally (my opinion of Cam isn't going to change), but everyone I know who is not a Panthers fan (and many who are) point to Cam's attire and correlates that to being a reason for Cam's failure and as a laughingstock for the Panthers organization overall.

So what? They're idiots if they connect a person's outfit outside of the lines to their play on the field. Why do you care what other people think about a person you don't even know personally?

What Cam wears isn't going to change the outcome of any game, but it does affect outside perception.

And WTF does 'outside perception' have to do with anything? Are you afraid your friends are going to make fun of you for being a Panthers fan because our QB dresses like Aunt Esther? fug em. 

I would prefer my QB dress is a manner that didn't bring more negative attention- that is all.  I still appreciate Cam, but I am in agreement with Jim Celania on this.

He's not your QB. He's the QB of the team you follow. You don't have any ownership of him. Stop being weird.