Peter King actually somewhat optimistic about Cam

[CRA]

30 minutes ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

What do people think will be happening Week 6 that wasn't happening on Thursday? Some of Cam's misses were under heavy duress, but not all of them were. Cam has had clean pockets on occasion in Weeks 1 and 2 where he badly missed open receivers. How can that be attributed to a new focus on "efficient football"? 

I think the part "d" is pretty important in regards to King's context.  He has to work his arm/shoulder back like Luck did.  He also looked rough to open that season. 

but none of that addresses Cam not running.  And a Cam that doesn't run, is a Cam I don't want on the field big picture. 

[Sgt Schultz]

The pessimist view is that Cam is pretty far along in his career to be going through a development process. 

The optimistic view is he is already well used to the NFL game, the speed, what to expect from NFL defenses, etc.  That learning curve is not small, and he has already absorbed it.

Every running QB (vs. a classic pocket passer) has gone through this to one level or another.  Some make the transition, some don't.  The reason is you want a QB to last 10-15 years. RBs last a lot less.  It is not that they become uninspired, the reason is physical.  Cam (he and his body) is not an exception to this.  This may be especially true with his weight loss.  He can't play like a fullback and run over LBs with the same proficiency when he is 15 lbs. lighter or so.

The prototypes for this are Steve Young, Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, etc.  To one degree or another, they all made the transition from run first to run when it is time to run.

But, the question is whether or brain trust has already beaten him up enough that it is simply not possible.  From what we are told and what I have seen, he is capable of doing it if the OL doesn't get him killed again.  But, he could be one injury away from proving me wrong.

I have no idea what will happen, only the large number of possibilities of what could.  Put me in the "cautiously optimistic" category.

[Bartin]

41 minutes ago, countryboi said:

The fun thing about all of this is that. Yes, Cam is unable to toss the ball 70 yards in the air of his back foot but his arm is still better than 90 percent of the Qbs in the NFL. He just need to focus on the fundamentals and the Panthers need to give him a line that doesnt suck ass. The difference between Cam and Dak right now is that Dak can cook a steak dinner while going though his progressions and Cam never makes it past his first read because of the poor line play. 

Top 10% is top 3-4 of starters. You’re saying he has a better arm than four of Mahomes, Allen, Stafford, Rodgers, Mayfield, Kyler, Flacco and Brissett? He does not right now. He is probably closer to bottom 10% than top 10% right now.

[Mr. Scot]

45 minutes ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

What do people think will be happening Week 6 that wasn't happening on Thursday? 

Potentially, a lot of things 

Kyle Bailey mentioned that Andrew Luck took about six weeks to look like himself after he returned.

We don't firmly know what's really wrong at this point, so we don't know if it's fixable.

The bad part sadly is that even if it is something that's better by week six, we could be seriously behind the 8 ball by that time.

[raz]

i hate to say it but we need to do what dallas did.  draft o-line high in the draft for a few years.  it honestly isn't going to matter too much what cam is capable of if he doesn't have time to show it.

[Mr. Scot]

45 minutes ago, Matt62881 said:

Ive said it before let Cam get some protection and that foot get 100% and watch us go on a run.

All well and good to say, but unless you're Thanos those things don't just happen with a snap of the fingers.

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, Bartin said:

Top 10% is top 3-4 of starters. You’re saying he has a better arm than four of Mahomes, Allen, Stafford, Rodgers, Mayfield, Kyler, Flacco and Brissett? He does not right now. He is probably closer to bottom 10% than top 10% right now.

"Better than 90%" would be extremely generous right now.

[Jon Snow]

Ron and Marty do not have the luxury of time for Newton to get right.  If this drags on much longer the hole will be too deep to dig out of.   There's a lot riding on the shoulder of Newton.  

[Panthers are good]

1 hour ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

What do people think will be happening Week 6 that wasn't happening on Thursday? Some of Cam's misses were under heavy duress, but not all of them were. Cam has had clean pockets on occasion in Weeks 1 and 2 where he badly missed open receivers. How can that be attributed to a new focus on "efficient football"? 

Cam's foot is hurting him more than they're leading on is my view on it right now. I could be totally wrong and he's just done but I don't see it. WE would have heard much more about his accuracy issues if he was this bad in camp before the injury to his foot.

If he is trying this new throwing motion and can't plant properly on his foot then it's going to cause some miscues. Again, I could be overanalyzing things but at this point it's worth giving it a chance and trying to see if he comes out of it positively. The foot would also explain his limited mobility. If a few more weeks of what we saw on Thursday happens then yeah he is for sure done...but I'm not throwing in the towel yet.

Helps that Curtis Samuel posted on Instagram "Stay calm. We going to be scary" Now of course that's random player speak/hype but he knows and sees more than we do. He was getting open, once they get the timing down it could be scary. 

As panthers fans, why not just hope it gets better? You can have no expectations and end up being less disappointed and worst case it goes as you thought. Best case, they make a run and Cam is good again.

[Mr. Scot]

31 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

The pessimist view is that Cam is pretty far along in his career to be going through a development process. 

The optimistic view is he is already well used to the NFL game, the speed, what to expect from NFL defenses, etc.  That learning curve is not small, and he has already absorbed it.

Every running QB (vs. a classic pocket passer) has gone through this to one level or another.  Some make the transition, some don't.  The reason is you want a QB to last 10-15 years. RBs last a lot less.  It is not that they become uninspired, the reason is physical.  Cam (he and his body) is not an exception to this.  This may be especially true with his weight loss.  He can't play like a fullback and run over LBs with the same proficiency when he is 15 lbs. lighter or so.

The prototypes for this are Steve Young, Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, etc.  To one degree or another, they all made the transition from run first to run when it is time to run.

But, the question is whether or brain trust has already beaten him up enough that it is simply not possible.  From what we are told and what I have seen, he is capable of doing it if the OL doesn't get him killed again.  But, he could be one injury away from proving me wrong.

I have no idea what will happen, only the large number of possibilities of what could.  Put me in the "cautiously optimistic" category.

There's a part of me that can't help wondering about things like what difference it could have made if Newton had been coached by someone like Norv Turner from the beginning.

That part of me cries a lot 

[Paa Langfart]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

I think the part "d" is pretty important in regards to King's context.  He has to work his arm/shoulder back like Luck did.  He also looked rough to open that season. 

but none of that addresses Cam not running.  And a Cam that doesn't run, is a Cam I don't want on the field big picture. 

Cam isn't running with a hurt foot.  And hurt feet are notoriously slow to heal.

[philp]

He’s just going against the grain.

[Sgt Schultz]

42 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

There's a part of me that can't help wondering about things like what difference it could have made if Newton had been coached by someone like Norv Turner from the beginning.

That part of me cries a lot 

I feel your pain.  I ask myself that same question, a lot.  Because of it, I have a flat spot in my forehead that matches the table.

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I feel your pain.  I ask myself that same question, a lot.  Because of it, I have a flat spot in my forehead that matches the table.

I prefer the wall, myself. It's got a little more give to it.