I Don't Recognize This Cam Newton

[mc52beast]

Don’t see many people blaming the idiots who have been allowing Cam to play hurt and who let him(yeh, THEY are actually in charge) get destroyed behind horrible o-lines. 
 

Eating vegan may or may not be effecting his play but you can’t blame that on the horrible staff he has had around him

[onmyown]

1 hour ago, Happy Panther said:

People/Athletes who want to keep bulk easily can on a vegan diet. 

False.

Can they? Yes.

Easily? fug no.

[rodeo]

i'm honestly shocked at the lack of ground breaking research coming out of the huddle since like 3/4 of the posters are scientists

[KaseKlosed]

We need an IQ test. Lol PLANTS ARE THE ONLY THINGS ON THIS PLANET THAT CREATE PROTEIN.  ONLY PLANTS MAKE PROTEIN PERIOD. 

[SBiii]

33 minutes ago, Jus Rob said:

Bro he's hurt

"...let me be straight on this point: There are guys who get injured and guys who get hurt. 

Major difference! 

There is not one guy on any of the 32 NFL teams right now who is not hurt. All of them are dealing with some sort of ailment, big or small. That includes the kickers and punters, too. NFL players are expected to play through being hurt. The question that coaches and trainers deal with the most is:  What is each player’s pain tolerance? What some guy’s consider a hurt, others consider that aliment an injury. 

And there is a fine line in the NFL.

Being labeled “injury-prone” is the scarlet letter in the NFL—even if the injuries were freak accidents.  Club executives avoid players with that label like the plague and once a player gets that moniker, they wear the title for life. 

There are two types of players: guys who can play on game day and guys who cannot. It is as simple as that. No player ever wants to be in the latter category. That’s the funny thing about football: Most guys have had an injury that has caused them to miss some playing time. But in a system where every snap could be the last, players frown on others or tend to shy away from players who cannot play."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1303698-injured-or-hurt-a-former-players-perspective-on-nfl-injuries

[Ricky Spanish]

2 hours ago, jumpman910 said:

 

Not related:

But there's gonna be a real fun case study with Micheal Porter jr and his siblings laundry list of injuries from their vegan/raw vegan diets from birth. Not blaming being vegan on body recovery but as a Denver Nuggets fan I'm glad the staff have incorporated meats back into MPJ's diet. Probably means he moved Dr. Douglas Graham out of his house  

 

Now back to football. 

That is a very interesting article and pretty damning of the Vegan diet in pro athletes. 

[beastson]

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Newton’s teammate Gerald McCoy, who also went vegan earlier this year, said he had a similar experience to Gonzalez.

“Realistically for me, what I’ve had to do is I’m not fully vegan anymore,” McCoy told the Observer. “What I found out is, a guy of my size, my stature, I was dropping body fat at a rapid rate. I was building muscle at a rapid rate, but it wasn’t sustainable for me.

“So I had to add some type of animal protein in, like now I eat eggs and I may throw one animal protein in during the week. Because being a vegan at my size, and the mass that I carry around, it just wasn’t sustainable.”

Like Gonzalez, McCoy said reintegrating small portions of lean animal protein, like fish and chicken, into his diet has immediately paid dividends.

“The explosiveness wasn’t sustainable because I didn’t have that extra oomph that I needed, because of the lack of the type of protein I was taking in, so I just added a little bit of animal protein back in my diet and it’s given me that oomph back,” McCoy said. “Now week to week, I’m getting more and more explosive, and I can feel it. I can literally feel the change.

“Even in the weight room, I can feel when I put weight on, I’m holding it up. Before, I was getting it off me and I was moving the weight, but it was like pushing through. Now it’s just like boom!

“It’s not that being a vegan is bad, but when you’ve got mass like me (6-4, 300 pounds), you’ve gotta have a healthy balance.”

 

[SBiii]

31 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

Don’t see many people blaming the idiots who have been allowing Cam to play hurt and who let him(yeh, THEY are actually in charge) get destroyed behind horrible o-lines. 
 

Eating vegan may or may not be effecting his play but you can’t blame that on the horrible staff he has had around him

"In the NFL, no one is truly healthy by the end of October."

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/14564481/how-nfl-players-play-pain

Folks need to stop whining about Cam being "allowed to play hurt".....weak sauce. 

In the NFL playing hurt is part of the gig, that's what you sign up for. 

Article gives a good recap on Big Ben and a couple others & what they went through to make it to Sunday every week in 2016.

"Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has a sprained AC joint and torn ligaments in his throwing shoulder. That's trouble for anyone on the street, let alone a pro quarterback who has to sling the football around on the playoff stage this Sunday versus the Denver Broncos' top-tier defense."

Never hear a Steeler fan whining about Big Ben playing hurt....in fact they expect it.

[CPcavedweller]

43 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Cam is a unique dude all the way around. He and Allen are different personalities and I'm sure the age and life differences also come into play. I think the whole vegan thing is overblown here. There is so much misleading information on the market pushing different diets and psudoscience for profit that it's just noise to me. If Cam is working with a professional to get him what he needs in a format that is acceptable to his diet, their shouldn't be a problem. Money is obviously not an issue so its attainable and hopefully enforced regardless of diet preference for our players. As for if it makes him unhappy, I honestly can't say. I wouldn't have been happy behind William's either. Allen's also happy to get a chance to play. So there are a lot of possibilities and moving parts to be as certain as some are about these corilations.

How he responds to the current situation is on Cam. I wanted him benched last year. Yes he wants to play, and that is important, but he has coaches and professionals that should override him from doing damage and creating a bigger issue. I hope Allen gives him the proper time to heal, that he heals completely and comes back healthy and happy. Cam has played this game hard for 8 years, I wouldn't fault him or his body for falling apart. I wouldn't have survived a year of what Cam has. I also hope Allen enjoys himself and performs well.

I'm not sure Cam gets the luxury of resting the entire year this year and coming back next year. The NFL is a brutal workplace, on and off the field. The people running the team are in win or else territory. There are multiple scenarios where this doesn't end well for Cam. The only thing I am certain of on that front is I am not against Cam and just wish him well.

I like Cam personally and professionally. But all fans of the team, who have been here for more than 9 years, know when Cam isn't right. Hell, people who don't follow the team could watch and see that Cam wasn't himself even during the Rams game. He looked frustrated, joyless, and overall like he wasn't happy to be out there. 

That's what leads me to believe that he was playing through foot pain during the LA game and then he was forced to come out with how bad the pain was after he didn't even try to avoid sacks against Tampa Bay. 

[Jus Rob]

Vegan diet must be why his footwork and mechanics (tried to improve or shorten motion this year) are still poo. With that being said his arm strength was more the good enough to win games now not so much. I speculate that Cam is the one telling the coaching staff that he is healthy enough to play being the superman that he is. We can all see on Sunday's that somethings not right especially that Tampa Bay game. Our oline is not the best but Cam doesn't do himself any favors he rarely or never throws the ball away when no one is open and his footwork in the pocket is Charles Barkley terrible. 

[PantherPrideWorldWide]

On 9/13/2019 at 6:10 PM, Jeremy Igo said:

Good lord

I see your off the vegan train now Igo?

 

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, SBiii said:

"In the NFL, no one is truly healthy by the end of October."

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/14564481/how-nfl-players-play-pain

Folks need to stop whining about Cam being "allowed to play hurt".....weak sauce. 

In the NFL playing hurt is part of the gig, that's what you sign up for. 

Article gives a good recap on Big Ben and a couple others & what they went through to make it to Sunday every week in 2016.

"Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has a sprained AC joint and torn ligaments in his throwing shoulder. That's trouble for anyone on the street, let alone a pro quarterback who has to sling the football around on the playoff stage this Sunday versus the Denver Broncos' top-tier defense."

Never hear a Steeler fan whining about Big Ben playing hurt....in fact they expect it.

Cam has played through two seasons with rotator cuff injuries in his throwing shoulder so why don't you just STFU already 

[beastson]

23 minutes ago, KaseKlosed said:

We need an IQ test. Lol PLANTS ARE THE ONLY THINGS ON THIS PLANET THAT CREATE PROTEIN.  ONLY PLANTS MAKE PROTEIN PERIOD. 

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And simply put, animal and plant proteins aren’t the same.

The human body uses protein for thousands of purposes, everything from growing hair and fingernails to creating essential hormones. Proteins, as well as fats and carbohydrates, are the macronutrients used to perform the majority of bodily functions.

Proteins are made up of building blocks called amino acids, some of which the body naturally creates, others of which we must take from food. The body can store protein in your muscles, but it cannot store the amino acids needed to build them. Animal meat contains all the amino acids needed to produce what are called “complete” proteins; plants can have more or less of certain amino acids, and so there can be imbalances.

As such, any person on a strict plant-based diet would need to eat the proper mix of plants to gain sufficient amino acids required to create “complete” proteins.

“You look at corn, it’s got two of them. Green beans have got another one. You look at wheat, it’s got two others,” Howie said. “You’ve got to put them all together in one stomachful of food basically to get what’s called a complete protein.”

But even a well-structured vegan diet won’t give the body every amino acid it needs.

 

[CPcavedweller]

34 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

Don’t see many people blaming the idiots who have been allowing Cam to play hurt and who let him(yeh, THEY are actually in charge) get destroyed behind horrible o-lines. 
 

Eating vegan may or may not be effecting his play but you can’t blame that on the horrible staff he has had around him

Cam is partially to blame here. By all accounts, he wants to play at 25% the same as he does at 100%. Other than the shoulder, I think he let the pain in his foot go because he thought it wouldn't hinder him as much as ended up happening. He didn't run against the Rams and didn't even try to escape the pocket in ways we know a healthy Cam can do. He didn't seem happy during the game even during positive moments, leading me to believe he was in pain. And then versus Tampa he doesn't even try to avoid oncoming rushers in situations where he wins that 1 on 1 75% of the time. 

That isn't on the coaching staff anymore than it's on Cam, if he was downplaying the pain he was playing through. You don't bench your $90 million QB on a whim or for any reasons that could be perceived as performance related, especially not for an undrafted free agent, no matter how good that UDFA might be. So Cam either comes out with his pain or the coaching staff coaxes it out of him and they realize it's time that Cam needs to actually sit.

Luckily for this season, Allen got in the game in Week 17 last year so we knew what kind of performance he might have as a starter. That luxury of knowing we had a competent back-up makes it easier for the coaching staff to push Cam to rehab.