Coaching matters. Take a look and find out why.

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, thebigcat said:

Millennial vs Mr. 85 Bears.... Millennial won in coaching and in the game of life

Come on, dude. Mrs Riv is great.

how many other NFL coaches' wives do you know that are willing to trash-talk other teams on Twitter?

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Every successful head coach was unknown at some point.

Being unwilling to look at them is like refusing to hire a kid to give him some experience then telling him you don't want to hire him because he has no experience.

Not at all. If that is your best option then go for it. But why lose for years while he learns when you can get someone with experience. I am all for hiring people untrained, I just wouldn't hire him as head coach. Like Chase Blackburn, he is doing well as special teams coach after being an assistant for a year. But I wouldn't have made him head coach with no experience as you seem to be advocating.

[pantherclaw]

Got owned? 

Wow. 

Weak sauce. 

[TheRed]

The same posters attacking OP probably also think things like coach of the year awards actually mean anything.

[PantherBrew]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Ron is a good coach.  The problem is that "good" seems to be about as far as it goes.

Rivera's Panthers are usually good enough to beat bad teams, though not necessarily in dominating fashion. Against good teams though, and specifically good coaches, he seems to get outcoached an awful lot.

You don't have to be the worst coach in the league to lose your job. You just have to be not good enough to win a championship.

Hate to say it, but I fear Rivera isn't. Again, not terrible, but just not good enough. 

Yeah I think Ron is about an average coach.  I would say he probably is a better at the overall vision and team building than he is an in game strategist.  I can name several coaches I would rather have.  Ron is the Joe Flacco of coaches.  (Also, I know Flacco as won a superbowl, i mean it more in the terms of yeah, he can get you there if things fall a certain way, but more often than not he is not going to be THE reason you are really good, but he can be the reason your are not awful.)

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, mc52beast said:

So you’re ok with Ron screaming at the refs while McVay was instructing his team on what to do... you must not have very high expectations for Ron.

And we only lost by three because we have some dude called CMC who bailed out Ron by putting up historical type numbers

Would have thought that Washington could have called one play on his own. He is the defensive coordinator not Ron. Sure Ron calls the plays but Washington is still responsible for most of the behind the scenes work. If he knew Ron was occupied then he should have stepped in. Not exactly difficult to call one play.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, PantherBrew said:

Yeah I think Ron is about an average coach.  I would say he probably is a better at the overall vision and team building than he is an in game strategist.  I can name several coaches I would rather have.  Ron is the Joe Flacco of coaches.  (Also, I know Flacco as won a superbowl, i mean it more in the terms of yeah, he can get you there if things fall a certain way, but more often than not he is not going to be THE reason you are really good, but he can be the reason your are not awful.)

It's a valid observation.

Some coaches are strong motivators but not great strategists or game managers. I'd say that's probably Rivera. In-game coaching seems to be the weakest area of his skill set.

Sad to say, that's pretty important.

[PantherBrew]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

Would have thought that Washington could have called one play on his own. He is the defensive coordinator not Ron. Sure Ron calls the plays but Washington is still responsible for most of the behind the scenes work. If he knew Ron was occupied then he should have stepped in. Not exactly difficult to call one play.

Eh, I am usually with you, but as someone who has called plays on both sides of the ball.  This is not how that works.  This is on Ron he can't delegate his role because he wants to yell at an official.  (The more productive time is during a TV break or timeout)

 

Ron is still getting used to being HC and play caller, that would be extremely difficult, you essentially have to become completely hands off the other side of the ball, like McVay and Wade.  

Ron is usually better than this, but he admittedly didn't bring his A game, which we needed to beat this bunch.  

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, PantherBrew said:

Eh, I am usually with you, but as someone who has called plays on both sides of the ball.  This is not how that works.  This is on Ron he can't delegate his role because he wants to yell at an official.  (The more productive time is during a TV break or timeout)

Ron is still getting used to being HC and play caller, that would be extremely difficult, you essentially have to become completely hands off the other side of the ball, like McVay and Wade.  

Ron is usually better than this, but he admittedly didn't bring his A game, which we needed to beat this bunch.  

Rivera was having trouble with game management before he took over the defensive playcalling.

Giving yourself additional work when you were struggling to handle the work you already had? Not good.

And sorry, but designating the duty to a guy who's technically an assistant to an assistant with no head coaching experience? Bad call.

[thefuzz]

50 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Not sure if you were being sarcastic (teaching too much to detect that kind of thing) but, this hurry up stuff is for teams who are interested in winning.

Hahahaha, yea totally joking.

Ron Rivera is a very nice person, and a good defensive mind, but he lacks a killer instinct, and wants to play the game the way it should be played.....run the ball, stop the run, control the time of possession, etc...

Other coaches want to score points, embarrass the opponent, and protect their home field at all costs.  That ain't our guy.

[PantherBrew]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Rivera was having trouble with game management before he took over the defensive playcalling.

Giving yourself additional work when you were struggling to handle the work you already had? Not good.

And sorry, but designating the duty to a guy who's technically an assistant to an assistant with no head coaching experience? Bad call.

Yep, not defending any of that.  He really needs to find ways to help cover his weaknesses.  

[panthers55]

Just now, PantherBrew said:

Eh, I am usually with you, but as someone who has called plays on both sides of the ball.  This is not how that works.  This is on Ron he can't delegate his role because he wants to yell at an official.  (The more productive time is during a TV break or timeout)

 

Ron is still getting used to being HC and play caller, that would be extremely difficult, you essentially have to become completely hands off the other side of the ball, like McVay and Wade.  

Ron is usually better than this, but he admittedly didn't bring his A game, which we needed to beat this bunch.  

Ron does exactly what McVay and Wade do only in reverse order. Norv is totally responsible for the offense while Ron coaches the defense. Still Ron calls the plays to Washington while he relays them to Kuechly the same as Norv calls the plays to Scott who relays them to Cam. So Washington is involved in every play and should have stepped in when Ron was arguing. They are both on the sidelines virtually a few yards apart. Why can't Washington call a play and why can't Ron delegate when he is occupied with an official?

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, PantherBrew said:

Yep, not defending any of that.  He really needs to find ways to help cover his weaknesses.  

I honestly don't think he believes he has them. I'd like to think he'd have done more about them already.

Among Ron's other weaknesses are player evaluation and coaching personnel evaluation. Knowing that, it's not a big stretch to suggest he's not a good self scout.

[thefuzz]

3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Ron does exactly what McVay and Wade do only in reverse order. Norv is totally responsible for the offense while Ron coaches the defense. Still Ron calls the plays to Washington while he relays them to Kuechly the same as Norv calls the plays to Scott who relays them to Cam. So Washington is involved in every play and should have stepped in when Ron was arguing. They are both on the sidelines virtually a few yards apart. Why can't Washington call a play and why can't Ron delegate when he is occupied with an official?

Should an 8+ year head coach get so wound up talking at an official that he forgets his job?

What exactly do you think that ref is going to do?